Looks like brodie is saying washed up walkons are not white kids. He disagreed with that statement.
Kirk Ferentz getting sued for being racist
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I don’t care what Kulick, Ward, and Kluver have to say about the “Iowa Way.” They can’t speak to how black players felt about Iowa’s culture. However, they can speak about some of the incidents that other players have alleged, because they were on the team and witnessed those incidents occurring.
In regards to the 2018 report - KF asked for input from the black athletes, and they brought forward issues like not being allowed to wear hats and jewelry in the football facilities, not listening to rap in the weight room, etc, and Kirk made changes based on those complaints. None of those players came forward with the issues that have been made public the last several months.
Perhaps KF was naive for thinking that was the root of the problem, but he asked his black athletes why the retention rate amongst black athletes was so low and implemented the changes that they specifically asked for.
Are these the same guys that contradicted ESPNs 8 confirmed sources regarding the DJK trash can hazing incident?
Speaking to which you were pretty big on the DJK is a liar band wagon. Care to recant?
kcbob79clone
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What about the approx 2010 meeting coaches had with players on the same issues with no changes? How many times does Captain KirKKK need to hear about these issues?
2010 F2F on racism in the football program
2018 Investigation of racism in the athletic department, especially continuing in the football program
2020 Twitter and Facebook postings on guess what, racism in the football program
Perhaps KF was naive for thinking he could continue to do nothing.
There are also a number of former teammates who have refuted DJK’s account of what happened. DJK was not forced to put a trash can on his head, he was forced to carry/hold a trash can and voluntarily put it on his own head to goof off.
After the 2018 investigation, he talked to his black players and implemented the changes they wanted to see. Sounds like a racist to me!
kcbob79clone
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You never have really answered as all you do is deflect deflect deflect. Are you OK with a program that had racial issues for at least 10 years and did nothing except small changes and buying the silence of the scapegoat? Are you OK if that makes you a racist?
Because they are waiting to see who the new coach is and whether they fit in with the new staff.
What about the fact that they started a council following the 2018 report, they had one meeting, then Kirk stopped caring enough to meet again. Does that seem like somebody who can be trusted to lead a stark change? Especially considering the solution this time is....to start another council.
No, I’m not okay with it. Changes need to be made, and they are already underway. Like many of his current and former players, I think KF is more than capable of leading those changes. If it turns out that he is not, Iowa should move on and find someone who can.
You think someone who goes to court over landscaping is willing to change that easily?
LOL
kcbob79clone
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Having a hard time listening to CW talk about this topic on the radio during all this. Have certainly lost respect for his opinion as he is in the camp of Kirk is such a good man argument. It's on his watch bro, not sure how you can't see that. Good man argument opinion goes out the window. It's all on him, the top of the organization. Too many horrible situations have occurred on his watch, bottom line.
OMG..... this is unbelievable.
You agree changes need to be made.... just not to the ones that were responsible for the problem from the start and have had numerous opportunities to fix that problem and have never done it yet. C'mon... you're better than this.
Then you have the audacity and arrogance to state at the end..... "If it turns out that he is not, Iowa should move on and find someone who can."? Really? This is laughable folks. KF has been told at LEAST twice that we know of that there's been a racial problem inside his program.... but the third time is a charm???
Would you have given JoePa at PSU the same courtesy?
From the ESPN article:
At practice, Doyle ordered Johnson-Koulianos to jog around the field with a large yellow trash can covering his head.
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LeBron Daniel, a defensive end for Iowa at the time, watched the scene unfold with his teammates.
"We all just looked and were shaking our heads," said Daniel, one of eight people at the practice who verified the incident to ESPN. "During water breaks, guys would be talking about, 'Hey, what the F is that?' A humiliating thing."
Someone even took a photo, which Doyle would later display in his office, sources told ESPN.
"When kids would go in there, you'd see this picture," Johnson-Koulianos said. "He has it up there like he's proud, like a trophy."
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