Yes, porky, we're all bad parents...let them watch TV, take 'em to whorehouses, etc.
Did he ever come back to your thread after I asked him if he had kids?
Kids in a bar/Thoughts
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Did he ever come back to your thread after I asked him if he had kids?
If its a bar bar and most of their money is from beverages, then I wouldnt allow kids in either. Or as a parent I wouldnt bring my kid to in the first place. (however shouldnt be a city decision)
If most of money is from food, then kids should be okay, but that should be up to the resturant, bar, and or parents, not the freaking city.
If most of money is from food, then kids should be okay, but that should be up to the resturant, bar, and or parents, not the freaking city.
It comes down to priorities. Some Parents need to booze and rather spend their last $10 on beer in a tavern with their kids in tow, and not pay a babysitter
oh, and they're driving home half sh#t-faced with kids riding shotgun. yet another criminal offense
Or possibly the parent is enjoying a non-excessive level of alcohol, as are the other patrons.
I've spent a lot of time in bars. I can count on one hand the number of bar fights I've seen.
I've come to the conclusion that your urban/rural analysis is spot on, and it's also not worth arguing with the people who have never experienced anything other than bars being for drunks or people looking to get falling down drunk, but only go to bars so they're not drinking alone.
Never mind that there's a much healthier relationship with alcohol possible...where it's not treated as self medication to avoid one's problems, or it isn't treated as the front door key to hell...
I think this is probably fair, although I'm trying to think of what scenario in which I'd even want to bring my kids with me to a non-restaurant bar. Some sort of private event, I suppose, otherwise if I just want a drink after work or something I'd grab a six-pack on my way home before I'd mess around with loading them up to head out to the bar. That just sounds like a pain in the ***.
I'm thinking of going to Whiskey River or Sporty's (non-campus type of bars) on a Friday night at 10. There may not be a ton of fights, but I rarely see anyone in condition to drive a child anywhere. And it just seems a little bit rougher (language, things you see, etc.) at that time of night than if a child goes to a bar at, say, 3 in the afternoon to play Pac-Man while Dad visits. The intentions of the patrons are usually different.
Actually, I went to bars with family members when I was little, both rural and in towns of, say, 12k. I just know I'd never take my child to one, especially not at 10 at night. I'll take her to Wallaby's or BWW, but not to a place like Deano's. If we wanted to drink and not get a babysitter, we'd just invite people over.
All of that being said - I think 515 isn't going to be the type of place to encourage its patrons to get trashed and bring kids. It seems like a classier type of place than that, so this ordinance is a bit restrictive and not taking into account the type of establishment.
So what does 515 actually do for food then? Sounds like they are getting nailed on a technicality?
lol.
Our city used to have "Taste of Iowa' festival downtown. with some name bands and has-been bands--concerts all outdoors--a few thousand people. good times
Then I see some rube holding his 6-week old infant at 11pm near a large speaker which is blaring out big time decibels....
I just wonder what some parents are thinking?
Are you so irresponsible and cheap, you couldn't get a babysitter? (and endangering the health of an infant)
More classy than Whiskey River???? The 515 counting on the Rockefeller, Gates, Trump and Walton families for business? High class joint
I don't have kids (which should be obvious) but this seems like a logical/rational reason to not bring kids to a bar.
Also, not mentioned here but I'd like to address the whole rural thing. I grew up in DeWitt, IA, population 4900, at that time. There were/are 4 bars in town. 2 are straight up bars and growing up my parents literally never took us there. The other 4 served food, and had pool tables, darts and that kindof stuff. We frequented those regularly and played pool and all that jazz at those places. In small town Iowa, these places are often the only place to eat so there is no issue there.
I cannot think of a single classmate of mine that was in either of the bars growing up, it wasn't appropriate or allowed or for the most part even in anyone train of thought to bring their kids to those places.
Even in our neighboring town of Grand Mound, Iowa (population 500)... there wasn't this whole "Dad's bringing the kids back from Davenport but wants to swing by for a drink before going home thing." They would drop their kids off... and then go back to the bar. Maybe things were different in the west part of the state.
Those people are actually the ******* worst. Out of context though, I think your other complaints about people with kids are a little harsh. You can't win that fight because as soon as you start opting out of stuff because you can't find/afford a sitter you catch **** for that too.
I am thinking of the old, pre-remodel Whiskey River that didn't serve food. I haven't been in there since the remodel, I think it's more like a sports bar now, isn't it?
Again, it's a small town thing. In our case it was more likely that we were helping our dad work on the farm, and the bar was on the way home, and he saw someone's truck outside that he wanted/needed to talk to.
It wasn't like "I really want to go out drinking, but have these damn kids with". It's very common for people to just stop for a quick beer or two on the way home, and not be the center point of their day.
I doubt I was ever in the bar at 10:00 on a Friday as a kid. I'm talking about happy hour ish or weekend afternoon times.
I'm in the wayback machine too. Haven't been there since any renovation.
Whiskey River Classic was good place
Yea, that makes sense and seems reasonable. And I fully cop to growing up with parents that just didn't go to bars when I was growing up and probably never had anything heavier than light beer in the house.
In the southeast breweries are distinctly different than bars and promote a family atmosphere, especially North and South Carolina. They even have family days where they set up waterslides, etc. Nobody generally goes to a brewery to get drunk, they just go to sample a few beers and the breweries aren't even open after 8 or 10 generally.
Not sure how 515 is but unless breweries are far different in Iowa than everywhere i've been I don't really get the outrage acting like parents are taking kids to Cy's and staying out until 2 in the morning.
Not sure how 515 is but unless breweries are far different in Iowa than everywhere i've been I don't really get the outrage acting like parents are taking kids to Cy's and staying out until 2 in the morning.
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