Dang I wouldn't equate Joens to Hansford or Tanke. Hansford was so bad at shooting that the other team may as well not even guard her, but she moved well enough on defense. Tanke was kind of the opposite, she could shoot okay, but dang was she slow for a guard.
Kelsey Joens in Portal
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Boy…you make a lot of assumptions about what I believe. But that seems to be the norm.
Yeah…the portal has created an uncontrolled carousel of transfers. We’ve seen players on other teams that are at a diff school every year. And yes, I hate to see her go. I ALWAYS appreciate the hustle players and some of my favs over the years have left the program.
Nice non answer to a posed question, but that's the norm for you.
FACT: You FREQUENTLY cite Aubrey Joens as an example of "grass isn't greener" for transfers (twice in this thread alone) and how many times did you note Aubrey's DNP statistics in the "Former Cyclones at Other Schools" thread over the course of the season. I could look it up, but my estimate is at least five times. Your incessant need to disparage Aubrey seems as petty as those who are bringing Brian Joens into the discussion.
Brian Joens is, indeed, an unlikeable person. You're clearly friends with him, so you're biased, but there's good reason for people to not be sad that he won't be around the program/games in the near future.
The thread is about Kelsey, not Aubrey or Brian. Kelsey was an excellent representative of ISU, both on and off the basketball court. Her father's famous temper doesn't diminish that one iota, and frankly doesn't belong in the discussion.
There were some pretty exceptional guards that Iowa State faced this year that AJ did just about the best defensive job on as any opponent all year has. On a team that is a bit bland on defense there is a lot of value in having at least one defensive stopper.
And this is coming from someone who is a big fan of KJ. I think KJ and AJ were my two favorite players from last year's team.
People are pretty quick to forget too, but as a freshman she had the job on Clark and caused her to have an incredibly inefficient night, something like 12/31. I don't really want this conversation to continue because I don't believe in these kinds of pitting one against the other when they have different strengths, but it seems like some aren't willing to accept that AJ brings things to this team that other players can't fill easily.
So, that being said, I wish Kelsey all the best and think she can fit in really well at a number of schools. I'm half wondering if she'll end up somewhere in the Big East? Seems like she could do well at a Creighton or something like that.
I looked at Tanke getting some minutes as wear on the legs from the previous game two days prior. Same with Wilson being the first off the bench.
Every player has games that they disappear. What you hope for is if the scoring is missing, are they contributing in another way. That is what helps having a deeper bench, for those struggling days, lingering injures, etc...
Dang…you’re just an obstinate son of a gun aren’t you? I reported MANY player stats in the FORMER player thread…but you don’t care as long as you can make your point. I’ve never disparaged Aubrey in any way shape or form. Even in making the grass greener comment I was referring to finding more playing time, having playing success, etc. That, in no way, shape or form denigrated her as a person or player. It simply pointed out the reality of reduced playing time and role on the team. I made similar comments about diminished roles of other players as well. YOU are the one that always has to play Mr. Insider “because I go to Joensys” and put everyone else down along the way including current players and coaching staff. I have no idea what you’re going to do now that you will no longer have that third hand insider info.
I do also want to add a comment about some people on this thread talking about all the talent we lost in the portal the last 2-3 years and comparing how they are doing at other schools. I took your comments about addressing those comments, with the grass is greener. Some student athletes leave due to playing time (which is what I think Kelsey is leaving for as she loves ISU and her teammates, again AJ's instagram post from today), some leave for education (Lexi) and some leave for other reasons, one of being CBF. Again, I am not blind to that, but the portal is going to be a merry-go-round. I haven't seen any comments about all the really good players leaving high-level teams.
Great points and so true…everyone who leaves a program…ours or another…has a reason. We've had several leave for grad school. We've had some leave to find better fits elsewhere.
Should have been reduced to walk-on minutes by New Years Day.
Literally no one has said that. Stop making **** up.
Could Kelsey be an MVP candidate at the Missouri Valley level? That would almost make up for her being pushed out.
There are so many 6’4”+ players with low stats in the portal. Would be nice to have one to bring along slowly, and have the extra fouls/defense.
There are so many 6’4”+ players with low stats in the portal. Would be nice to have one to bring along slowly, and have the extra fouls/defense.
Some don't want to point out how we really have not had any of our star/best players leave over the years other than Donarski who like you mentioned left more for education reasons than playing time. I have been quick to point out several times too "the grass is not always greener" side of things and I mostly have used Fritz as the primary example of this. If we look back of who has left vs who has stayed over they past few seasons and how those who left have faired can we really be that upset on who has left?
I'm sad to see Kelsey leave too, her hustle will be missed. I'm sure she is already aware of how things turned out with Aubrey and will use her experience and advice with the portal to figure out where to go next. All that being said losing Kelsey is not nearly a blow to the roster as would losing someone like Addy would have been or some other top scorer on the team over the years that choose to stay. Have to realize these are 18-22 year old kids still who growing up were told for years how great they are all the time while being recruited. Once they get on campus most are no longer the star they were in HS and have to deal with reality that at this level winning takes on a whole new meaning and either you are good enough to play or you aren't.
I'm not mad at her leaving, disappointed yes but also we need to respect that their happiness comes before ours as fans.
Just curious, what was the academic program that LexI left for at UNC that wasn’t available at ISU?
I'm curious too - this is the first time I hear that she left because of academic reason. I tried to find her major in UNC but it's listed as Graduate.
The article below leans toward the "playing style" as the reason, not academic. It doesn't hurt though that UNC's MBA is one of the top programs in the nation (I believe No. 28 per US News)
tarheeltribune.com
The article below leans toward the "playing style" as the reason, not academic. It doesn't hurt though that UNC's MBA is one of the top programs in the nation (I believe No. 28 per US News)
Transfer Donarski true two-way player, game-changer for UNC
CHAPEL HILL — Lexi Donarski, one of North Carolina’s six former five-star recruits, brings many qualities to Chapel Hill. A true two-way player, tenacious on defense with a diverse offensive skill …
tarheeltribune.com
