Joe Pa in bad shape??

[Cydropout]

Joe Pa did not enable child tape. he was told by an assistant(who has changed his story several time)that he thinks he saw something. he told the higher ups(by law thays what he had to do) and they didn't do any thing. Joe Pa is a great man that gave millions to penn st stayed loyal to the program and its players.

Uhhhh, no he's not. I don't care how many football games he won, or how many millions he gave to Penn State.... boys were raped in his locker room and he could have done something to prevent more from happening and he didn't. He's a scumbag that put football and winning above doing the right thing. He deserves no worship. Sorry.

well to your last point that is every coach in college athletic or pro for that matter. he did everything required by law of him to stop this but the people above him decided to do nothing so they in fact made winning more important then the right thing

 

[Spam]

He didn't know a male could with another male. Bye scumbag.

 

[Cydropout]

the university and state college police did an investigation and found no wrong doing. does that make them scumbags too? what about the guy that did all of theses things what about him? there are a lot of people that didn't do the what they were spose to.

 

[Spam]

the university and state college police did an investigation and found no wrong doing. does that make them scumbags too? what about the guy that did all of theses things what about him? there are a lot of people that didn't do the what they were spose to.

yes, they would be scumbags too. that is why the then president of the university and the then head of campus police are now facing criminal charges. paterno escaped because he was god.

 

[Cydropout]

he "escaped" be cause legally he did nothing wrong

 

[Tank]

Posted again....

To all you who want to talk crap about the man and what has happened recently, stop now and just let it go - he is no longer with us so RIP.

 

[marothisu]

Listen, reading some of the **** on this board makes me wonder. Okay, JoePa had heard, he knew. But people saying he did jack **** about it or didn't know is just ******* ********. How many of you actually work for a major institution with some sort of protocol?

What we witnessed here was a man who followed protocol of a major institution. SHOULD he have gone to the police directly? Maybe. But he never saw any of it happening, so he followed the protocol of it. The guy could have been charged with something technically if he would have not followed this protocol, and lesser..he could have easily been fired for it. But most of you don't even understand this which is really sad.

It's ******* sad that most of you think he did absolutely nothing, when he actually did. The guy reported it to his superiors, as he should have for something he never actually witnessed. They were supposed to handle it. If you want to get ****** at anybody for this, get ****** at the President, AD, and Jerry Sandusky. Joe Paterno did what he was supposed to do, which was report it to his superiors and his superiors were supposed to act better, but didn't.

Get your **** right or don't speak at all. What happened at Penn State is ******* sad, but to blame Joe Paterno for it all is just BS. The complete IDIOTS in this story are the AD, President, and Sandusky. If you want to blame any of it, blame it on them, not ******* Joe Paterno. He did everything he should have. The AD and President were responsible for handling this at a higher legal level and nothing happened.

 

[azepp]

Listen, reading some of the **** on this board makes me wonder. Okay, JoePa had heard, he knew. But people saying he did jack **** about it or didn't know is just ******* ********. How many of you actually work for a major institution with some sort of protocol?

What we witnessed here was a man who followed protocol of a major institution. SHOULD he have gone to the police directly? Maybe. But he never saw any of it happening, so he followed the protocol of it. The guy could have been charged with something technically if he would have not followed this protocol, and lesser..he could have easily been fired for it. But most of you don't even understand this which is really sad.

It's ******* sad that most of you think he did absolutely nothing, when he actually did. The guy reported it to his superiors, as he should have for something he never actually witnessed. They were supposed to handle it. If you want to get ****** at anybody for this, get ****** at the President, AD, and Jerry Sandusky. Joe Paterno did what he was supposed to do, which was report it to his superiors and his superiors were supposed to act better, but didn't.

Get your **** right or don't speak at all. What happened at Penn State is ******* sad, but to blame Joe Paterno for it all is just BS. The complete IDIOTS in this story are the AD, President, and Sandusky. If you want to blame any of it, blame it on them, not ******* Joe Paterno. He did everything he should have. The AD and President were responsible for handling this at a higher legal level and nothing happened.

If the grad assistant came in and said that he'd seen Sandusky dismembering a body in the showers, would it have been ok to stop at telling his superiors as long as he was following protocol? No. You have to use a little common sense. When you receive knowledge of a heinous crime being committed, it is your societal duty to ensure that the perpetrators of that crime are held accountable. Just following protocol does not make everything ok.

 

[marothisu]

If the grad assistant came in and said that he'd seen Sandusky dismembering a body in the showers, would it have been ok to stop at telling his superiors as long as he was following protocol? No. You have to use a little common sense. When you receive knowledge of a heinous crime being committed, it is your societal duty to ensure that the perpetrators of that crime are held accountable. Just following protocol does not make everything ok.

If someone came to me, and I was "high up" in a major institution but nowhere near the top, and they said "blah blah blah happened" but I never saw it, who would I report it to?

Well, maybe you'll have to bare with me because I work for a major major corporation, but if I never saw it myself, I would go report it to either HR or my manager. Why?

1) Because first of all, I never saw it so I have no idea if it's true. Why would I report something to police without any investigation?
2) Because I have no professional investigation skills of something I never saw.
3) Because there's a protocol. If you don't see something illegal (I'm talking about societally illegal, not company illegal) happening, but hear about it and someone tells me, I tell a superior of mine or I tell HR so they can do a real investigation about it. If I go directly to the police, I'd probably be fired, even if whatever was being done was illegal, because I didn't follow protocol for a high profile scandal.
4) Because I never saw it, I could be arrested for filing a false police report if what was told to me never actually happened.

It's sad in some ways, but the guy was acting out in what he should have done legally and by the institution himself. He could have done more and should have, but the guy did take action and people saying he didn't take any action are full of ****.

 

[HOTDON]

If someone came to me, and I was "high up" in a major institution but nowhere near the top, and they said "blah blah blah happened" but I never saw it, who would I report it to?

Well, maybe you'll have to bare with me because I work for a major major corporation, but if I never saw it myself, I would go report it to either HR or my manager. Why?

1) Because first of all, I never saw it so I have no idea if it's true. Why would I report something to police without any investigation?
2) Because I have no professional investigation skills of something I never saw.
3) Because there's a protocol. If you don't see something illegal (I'm talking about societally illegal, not company illegal) happening, but hear about it and someone tells me, I tell a superior of mine or I tell HR so they can do a real investigation about it. If I go directly to the police, I'd probably be fired, even if whatever was being done was illegal, because I didn't follow protocol for a high profile scandal.

It's sad in some ways, but the guy was acting out in what he should have done legally and by the institution himself. He could have done more and should have, but the guy did take action and people saying he didn't take any action are full of ****.

So if someone was sexually assualting a minor at your "institution" you just go tell the people in HR and wash your hands of it? What he did an appropriate response for someone who was pocketing team jerseys or charging things to his university expense card. This is so far beyond protocol it's ridiculous.

Don't misconstrue this as me siding with those wishing pain on him or his family but he soiled his own legacy. He lived and ultimately died with the decisions he made, just like all of us will. Celebrating someones passing is awful, but ignoring child abuse is beyond awful.

 

[marothisu]

So if someone was sexually assualting a minor at your "institution" you just go tell the people in HR and wash your hands of it? What he did an appropriate response for someone who was pocketing team jerseys or charging things to his university expense card. This is so far beyond protocol it's ridiculous.

Don't misconstrue this as me siding with those wishing pain on him or his family but he soiled his own legacy. He lived and ultimately died with the decisions he made, just like all of us will. Celebrating someones passing is awful, but ignoring child abuse is beyond awful.

If I never saw it myself, and I'm in nowhere near the top of my institution but someone under me told me it happened, I would report it to someone who knows how to do an investigation and deal with it properly, who is higher up than me (i.e. HR or my superior(s)).

If I saw it myself, there's no way in hell I would wait. I would go straight to police.



The only way I would report it to police when I didn't see anything is if I kept getting reports of it and an investigation by my company turned up nothing. I would call ******** on it and go straight to the police.

If I only got one report on it, and I never saw it myself..I would go to HR and let them deal with it or I would ask the guy who saw it to go to police himself and risk getting fired/arrested for falsifying a police report if he was wrong or completely ************ me.


To me, Mike McQuery is much more at fault. If you were McQuery, wouldn't you go to police yourself? JoePa didn't see anything, he only heard it from McQuery. McQuery heard it and should have gone to police as well as telling JoePa. He only saw one, and who knows if JoePa ever told him to go to police too. He probably should have said that but obviously JoePa is a little old school with following a process.

 

[ISUboi12]

If I only got one report on it, and I never saw it myself..I would go to HR and let them deal with it or I would ask the guy who saw it to go to police himself and risk getting fired/arrested for falsifying a police report if he was wrong or completely ************ me.


To me, Mike McQuery is much more at fault. If you were McQuery, wouldn't you go to police yourself? JoePa didn't see anything, he only heard it from McQuery. McQuery heard it and should have gone to police as well as telling JoePa. He only saw one, and who knows if JoePa ever told him to go to police too. He probably should have said that but obviously JoePa is a little old school with following a process.

Who on here is defending McQuery's actions?

Would you be appalled by someone who did defend McQuery's part? That is sort of how some of us feel about Joe Paterno apologists.

To make matters worse, most of the apologists (even with respect to you), defend Joe Paterno using very emotional language and sometimes aggressive comments toward others just offering an opinion. IMO that clearly demonstrates which side is thinking more rationally.

 

[HOTDON]

If I never saw it myself, and I'm in nowhere near the top of my institution but someone under me told me it happened, I would report it to someone who knows how to do an investigation and deal with it properly, who is higher up than me (i.e. HR or my superior(s)).

If I saw it myself, there's no way in hell I would wait. I would go straight to police.



The only way I would report it to police when I didn't see anything is if I kept getting reports of it and an investigation by my company turned up nothing. I would call ******** on it and go straight to the police.
If I only got one report on it, and I never saw it myself..I would go to HR and let them deal with it or I would ask the guy who saw it to go to police himself and risk getting fired/arrested for falsifying a police report if he was wrong or completely ************ me.

Fair enough. I see what you're saying, and in most situations that is probably exactly what should be done. However, I would argue that some things are bigger than protocol, or the threat of losing a job. I work for a multinational corporation with a very rigid hierarchy, but if I file a complaint and feel nothing has been done I march back to HR and ask why. If it's serious enough you don't let it drop.

 

[marothisu]

Who on here is defending McQuery's actions?

Would you be appalled by someone who did defend McQuery's part? That is sort of how some of us feel about Joe Paterno apologists.

To make matters worse, most of the apologists (even with respect to you), defend Joe Paterno using very emotional language and sometimes aggressive comments toward others just offering an opinion. IMO that clearly demonstrates which side is thinking more rationally.

I didn't say anyone here is defending McQuery's actions. What I'm saying is Joe Paterno took the required action at the time for something he never saw and was all heresay.

Mike McQuery did follow some protocol, but he should have also reported it to police after an investigation turned up nothing and nothing happened.


I don't think Joe Paterno acted 100% well, but I think most of what he did was fine. I think he could and should have done more and McQuery should have done it. McQuery should have said "Coach, the investigation turned up nothing, but I saw it happen" afterwards and they should have both gone to the police about it.

 

[marothisu]

Fair enough. I see what you're saying, and in most situations that is probably exactly what should be done. However, I would argue that some things are bigger than protocol, or the threat of losing a job. I work for a multinational corporation with a very rigid hierarchy, but if I file a complaint and feel nothing has been done I march back to HR and ask why. If it's serious enough you don't let it drop.

Exactly. If someone who reports to you told you they saw something happen, and an investigation turned up nothing, what would you do? Here's what I would do. I would meet with the guy/gal who reported it to me, ask them how they feel about the investigation turning up nothing. If they told me "I saw it happen, this is BS" or something to that effect, I would encourage them to go straight to the police about it.

 

[CYlent Bob]

Exactly. If someone who reports to you told you they saw something happen, and an investigation turned up nothing, what would you do? Here's what I would do. I would meet with the guy/gal who reported it to me, ask them how they feel about the investigation turning up nothing. If they told me "I saw it happen, this is BS" or something to that effect, I would encourage them to go straight to the police about it.

Define "investigation". Because from what I can see, there was no "investigation" performed. At the most, they went to Sandusky and asked him "Hey Jerry, you **** any little boys lately?"

The continued fellation of Joe Paterno by fanboys disturbed me, but now that he's dead it's turned into necrophilia. And that makes me want to puke.

All the talk about how Joe Paterno could have lost his job because he didn't "follow protocol"? Crap. Pure crap. Joe Paterno was the Undisputed God-King of State College. If he beat a sackfull of kittens to death with a ball-peen hammer at a live press conference on ESPN, the most he would have gotten was a one day suspension......with pay. He was above the rules. Saying that he feared his superiors is laughable, because in that athletic department he HAD no superiors.

 

[marothisu]

Define "investigation". Because from what I can see, there was no "investigation" performed. At the most, they went to Sandusky and asked him "Hey Jerry, you **** any little boys lately?"

The continued fellation of Joe Paterno by fanboys disturbed me, but now that he's dead it's turned into necrophilia. And that makes me want to puke.

All the talk about how Joe Paterno could have lost his job because he didn't "follow protocol"? Crap. Pure crap. Joe Paterno was the Undisputed God-King of State College. If he beat a sackfull of kittens to death with a ball-peen hammer at a live press conference on ESPN, the most he would have gotten was a one day suspension......with pay. He was above the rules. Saying that he feared his superiors is laughable, because in that athletic department he HAD no superiors.

Yeah well that's the problem. An "investigation" was "performed" and didn't bring back anything. Why? Because the President and AD were trying to cover their ***** too, except they ended up doing the opposite.

And no it's not pure crap.
Section 6311 - Title 23 - DOMESTIC RELATIONS

(c) Staff members of institutions, etc.--Whenever a person is required to report under subsection (b) in the capacity as a member of the staff of a medical or other public or private institution, school, facility or agency, that person shall immediately notify the person in charge of the institution, school, facility or agency or the designated agent of the person in charge. Upon notification, the person in charge or the designated agent, if any, shall assume the responsibility and have the legal obligation to report or cause a report to be made in accordance with section 6313. This chapter does not require more than one report from any such institution, school, facility or agency.

We're dealing with an elderly man who is OLD SCHOOL. He did what was required by law at an institution by Pennsylvania State Law. The same law that thousands of teachers and other workers follow every year in that state. So if you're going to crucify him, then you better crucify thousands of people every year who ONLY follow this law.


How about we start? Everytime we can see a report filed in Pennsylvania Government for this, let's give **** to the person who files who did that instead of going directly to the police. Because you know what? It's the same ******* thing. The only difference is that one person has notoriety and the other doesn't. So let's stay consistent and give **** to thousands of people every year for following protocol okay?

 

[jj-cyclones]

If McQuery would have went to Joe and said the exact same thing BUT the kid was one of Joe's grandchildren...would that have changed his actions? Damn straight it would, he would have wanted Jerry burned at the steak!

Not saying Joe caused anything, but he should be taking a lot of heat for his stupidity!

 

[Bobber]

If McQuery would have went to Joe and said the exact same thing BUT the kid was one of Joe's grandchildren...would that have changed his actions? Damn straight it would, he would have wanted Jerry burned at the steak!

Not saying Joe caused anything, but he should be taking a lot of heat for his stupidity!

He did. Lost his job and respect of the nation over it.

 

[jj-cyclones]

I was implying that the heat he was taking is warranted.