Jarvis West Fumble

[clonedude]

This cannot be true, because you are saying there are two different definitions of being down. If the ball ends up on the ground then its a completion and first down Iowa State, but since the defender takes the ball away (after he's down as that picture clearly shows) its somehow an interception... BS. The continuation is only on a pass to make sure he has possession and doesn't bobble it. That picture pretty clearly shows him with complete possession and knee on the ground, first down Texas or any team not named ISU.

No. This would not be considered a completion. You have to control the ball all the way to the ground on a catch, not just until your knee hits.

 

[cloneswereall]

Right call was made on that play as much as I hate to admit it. That pass on the sideline on KSU's last scoring drive was definitely out of bounds though. Also, there were 3 holds throughout the game that the KSU OL got away with that were extremely blatant that the refs let go.

Uhh... No. His foot was completely in bounds on that drive.

 

[ArgentCy]

what do you think the knee is "hitting"?

 

[HFCS]

If the receiver somehow manages to keep bobbling it and stand up at the same time before catching it then he could keep going.

The real issue with this play comes down to whether or not Jarvis had control when his knees hit the ground. If you think he was bobbling it when his knees hit the ground then an interception is correct, if he had possession then it should be a first down.

Here's why replay and/or the rules of college football are completely stupid.

1. During the Texas game last year it was 100% a forced fumble according to the laws of physics and any rational thought. Call on the field stood because they could not freeze one shot that showed ball out while player was still up. But video + laws of reality and physics made it a certainty.

2. With this fumble we have the conclusive freeze frame that shows knee down with ball...but now it's no longer about the one conclusive frame.

There is no way those two replay decisions are reconcilable with each other. Either Jarvis is down because of the still and Texas wins because of lack of the still, or video is interpreted beyond just a still, int Ksu and George fumble recovery ISU beats Texas.

 

[TakeCover]

Mike Pereira has a great piece at Fox Sports.com on that play and how big of a screw job it was in refs not reviewing the play.

[video=youtube;7m1slop6_yM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7m1slop6_yM[/video]

A good explanation of the other glaring show of referee incompetence yesterday. Now, I know many have suggested that KSU might very well have scored on that late first-half drive anyway (and perhaps not!), but if the officials believed that West did not establish possession on the "interception" play in question, then I don't know how it's clear in this video that the KSU receiver had possession before contact with the out-of-bounds pylon was made. Looks to me like the pylon is well on its way down by the time he fully secures the ball (0:34 mark in the video).

 

[ArgentCy]

The continuation rule is a bad rule because it leads to illogical possible conclusions. How long to you have to possess it while laying on the ground? Can I come and kick the ball out after one second, three seconds, etc?

 

[HFCS]

I noticed the refs didn't call a single hold on an offensive lineman from either team throughout the entire game. There is something to be said about letting guys play, but c'mon, there was a lot of holding going on. (I think the hold called against K-State on the 2 pt conversion was against a TE, but not sure).

One of our guys grabbed a jersey like a complete idiot ten yards behind Jarvis on his return td. No effect on play but still a bonehead thing.

 

[cyspy]

One of our guys grabbed a jersey like a complete idiot ten yards behind Jarvis on his return td. No effect on play but still a bonehead thing.

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I saw that too and wondered why he was doing it because Jarvis wasn't going to be caught.

 

[HFCS]

[video=youtube;7m1slop6_yM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7m1slop6_yM[/video]

A good explanation of the other glaring show of referee incompetence yesterday. Now, I know many have suggested that KSU might very well have scored on that late first-half drive anyway (and perhaps not!), but if the officials believed that West did not establish possession on the "interception" play in question, then I don't know how it's clear in this video that the KSU receiver had possession before contact with the out-of-bounds pylon was made. Looks to me like the pylon is well on its way down by the time he fully secures the ball (0:34 mark in the video).

This is what I just posted, it's not reconcilable at all with lots of other calls. If it's the rules than the rules are dumb and irrational. Shouldn't be able to pick and chose when a freeze frame matters and when it doesn't.

 

[PKT13]

I really had no idea there were so many people watching isu football that struggle to understand football.

 

[clonedude]

Here's why replay and/or the rules of college football are completely stupid.

1. During the Texas game last year it was 100% a forced fumble according to the laws of physics and any rational thought. Call on the field stood because they could not freeze one shot that showed ball out while player was still up. But video + laws of reality and physics made it a certainty.

2. With this fumble we have the conclusive freeze frame that shows knee down with ball...but now it's no longer about the one conclusive frame.

There is no way those two replay decisions are reconcilable with each other. Either Jarvis is down because of the still and Texas wins because of lack of the still, or video is interpreted beyond just a still, int Ksu and George fumble recovery ISU beats Texas.

It wasn't a fumble, it was an INT. Yes his knee was down, but that doesn't matter on a catch. You MUST complete the catch all the way to the ground unfortunately. It's a pretty dumb rule IMO, because it isn't consistent with anything else in football.

 

[PKT13]

If only football were played in polaroids instead of real life....

 

[Doc]

I like this Mike Pereira guy. I understand being a ref is a terribly difficult, but I would like to see a little accountability.

 

[aauummm]

Here's picture #4:

 

[PKT13]

Dude gets it. He has the ball on his knees but is on his way to the ground. Hypothetically, if this exact play happens with no defender and west hits knees first, goes to ground and the ball pops out, it is 100% an incomplete pass. I think people are so set on blaming reds that they are struggling to see what actually happened.

 

[awd4cy]

Uhh... No. His foot was completely in bounds on that drive.

It looked like replay showed his knee hitting out of bounds first. I could be wrong.

 

[chuckd4735]

I really had no idea there were so many people watching isu football that struggle to understand football.

You're worse then a woman...

 

[awd4cy]

Here's picture #4:

Continuation. It was an int.

 

[Doc]

It looked like replay showed his knee hitting out of bounds first. I could be wrong.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure he got a foot down early, then his knee went out of bounds. Looked like a good call to me.

 

[chuckd4735]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure he got a foot down early, then his knee went out of bounds. Looked like a good call to me.

According to Pereira, the second house knee his the pylon, he is out of bounds.