Jamie Pollard had us as the last 2 seed in his submission

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When people question your work you don't get defensive and want to prove you're right?
No. Leadership is not about proving yourself right.

There is absolutely nothing worse that a "leader" in the realm of athletics can do than to consistently be vocally whiney and defensive (thin-skinned) to fans/stakeholders and feel any need to "prove" themselves right, particularly in this situation when there is literally 0 benefits do voicing these opinions publicly. Especially when the logic used to support these opinions is ridiculously stupid, counter-intuitive, and contradictory, and it is very obvious that it would rile up the fanbase in a negative way - a freaking day ahead of the start of a tournament when the absolute last thing a supposed leader should do is introduce any distractions of any kind.
 
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So he's saying ISU deliberately scheduled weak in non-conference, and by his vote he agrees ISU's non-con is what put us 8th instead of 4th or 5th.

Apparently he screwed us twice.

Edit: I was late the the thread, I see several others already noted this.
3 times actually. He then tripled-down and publicly supported a philosophy that double-counts the NCSOS, and then was arrogant and oblivious enough to air this opinion publicly before a huge weekend of basketball for his school.
 

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To me, it seems like the committee didn’t really take conference tournaments into account unless you were getting an AQ. I don’t agree with it and I think it’s stupid that noncon games are worth more than our wins in KC. But, if they really view it like that, then we deserved the last 2.
 

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The metrics ARE objective, it's the people (i.e., committee) who aren't.
Ken Pomeroy decided how Adjusted Efficiency Margin is calculated on his site. The math used to get there is objective, choosing what variables go into it is subjective. Back up far enough and its not all that different to how individuals on the committee decide to place teams on their own seed list
 

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Ken Pomeroy decided how Adjusted Efficiency Margin is calculated on his site. The math used to get there is objective, choosing what variables go into it is subjective. Back up far enough and its not all that different to how individuals on the committee decide to place teams on their own seed list
That's why the decision should be an aggregate of multiple metrics
 

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Ken Pomeroy decided how Adjusted Efficiency Margin is calculated on his site. The math used to get there is objective, choosing what variables go into it is subjective. Back up far enough and its not all that different to how individuals on the committee decide to place teams on their own seed list
Sure, you can disagree with how the formula is put together, but at least it's transparent and you can't disagree with the application of the formula. Committee members have their own individual formulas inside their heads which are not transparent and are not applied consistently. I know which method I prefer.
 
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It's objective that team A has the better KenPom. But there's nothing objective about saying the tournament should be seeded by KenPom rank.
No, but at least KenPom is transparent. Committee members are not.
 

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Sure, you can disagree with how the formula is put together, but at least it's transparent and you can't disagree with the application of the formula. Committee members have their own individual formulas inside their heads which are not transparent and are not applied consistently. I know which method I prefer.
Yes, you can do that. And then you have everyone gaming the system because they know the rules. Or, you can do your best to eliminate bias and accept the inherent randomness of a bunch of people making their own informed decisions.

Pollard's tenure on the committee is done, you're a free elf. Start doing your homework now to figure out who's going to screw us next year
 

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Its okay to acknowledge JP is a good AD but isn't always perfect (no one is).
Bingo. Sure he's said or done some things we may question but he's really navigated ISU overall really well.
 

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Miles traveled by 15 seeds on average.
2023 1750 miles
2024… 450 miles
15 seeds don’t have large fanbases. Why is this that important? I would bet that in most 2/15 games there are more fans of the other 2 teams in the session rooting for the 15 than actual fans of the program.
 

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Miles traveled by 15 seeds on average.
2023 1750 miles
2024… 450 miles
The 15 seeds last year were
Vermont (Vermont)
Princeton (New Jersey)
Colgate (New York)
UNC Asheville (North Carolina)

You're gonna get some long miles in with 3 New England schools being sent to California, California, Iowa, and Ohio
 

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15 seeds don’t have large fanbases. Why is this that important? I would bet that in most 2/15 games there are more fans of the other 2 teams in the session rooting for the 15 than actual fans of the program.
It’s not a big deal but I can tell you it has had an effect on ticket prices. Prices are dropping today but I, like many others purchased after the session announcement.
 
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However.......I hated his statement that no game is more important than another.

To be fair he has been consistent with that line of thought since TJ was hired. JP and TJ are really, really good friends and this line of thinking started after his buddy was hired. Remember him dry begging the ISU fans to have patience with TJ before his friend coached game one, basically saying the same thing? Did he do that with either newbie coach Fred after the GMAC disaster or Steve Prohm trying to replace a legend in the "mayor"? No, JP has wanted TJ in this position since GMAC departed. And now that he is here.......he is going to say/do anything to take the pressure off his friend. A final four game in March is no more important than Lindenwood in November. Now whether he believes it or not, or you think it's right or not doesn't matter. As long as he is AD and TJ is coach....that's the way it's going to be projected to ISU fans.