its sad, but baylor scares me
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Agree here. I wish ISU could have gotten this sort of "hype" when we were going/winning bowl games this past decade..... prob. because they are in the state of Texas. BS. I expect to beat them this year.....Griffen III or not....
+1,
CPR > briles in the coaching game
CPR > briles in the development game
CPR < briels in the recruting game
plus the lose the one player that makes that team go this yr. they dont appear to me to have as high of cieling as some of the journalists and sport casters want to place upon them
The only reason that CPR would be less than Briles in the recruiting game is location.
Baylor can throw a rock from their campus and hit 50 3 star recruits. We have to convince TX, FL, and CA kids to leave their home state to come to IA.
In fact I think the quality of recruits that CPR is getting to come to the state Iowa means that he is a better recruiter than Briles since Baylor doesn't get that much better recruits.
Baylor is improving and Briles is a good coach. However, let's see what they look like without RGIII next year. They were extremely pedestrian when he was hurt a few years ago.
Perspective on Baylor really reflects a person's age. The last 15 years or so were the exception, not the rule. It's a traditionally good football program. But 90 percent of you guys aren't old enough to remember it.
Baylor beat ISU something like 35-0 back in 1988 or so. Absolute arse kicking from A to Z.
Baylor beat ISU something like 35-0 back in 1988 or so. Absolute arse kicking from A to Z.
Meh, Briles has a lot more proof he is a good coach that can turn a program around than Rhoads does. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't trade, however the facts will lie with Briles on this one.
I still have memories of the absolute pounding we took in Waco in 2008 burned into my brain. Our whole team just looked so awfully slow and unathletic, while RG3 and Wright were tearing us a new one up and down the field. Baylor ran that damn bubble screen for 10+ yards every time. 38-10. Yowza.
And to be surrounded by all 50 of Baylor's fans, with their fingers furled like bear claws, as I marched back to my car in defeat...
We really must make amends for this travesty.
Oh God, and that 2005 game...
And to be surrounded by all 50 of Baylor's fans, with their fingers furled like bear claws, as I marched back to my car in defeat...
We really must make amends for this travesty.
Oh God, and that 2005 game...
LOL....There isn`t anything around Waco for 40 miles. Now if you go double that then you would be accurate.
The issue with Baylor until recently can be traced to one guy... former AD Tom Stanton. (The saddest part was he was in the church supply biz before his hire... dumb move) In his craptacular tenure:
- He fired Chuck Reedy who had been at least decent as head football coach and did so in a way that many felt was premature
- He hired 3 coaches in football after that, of which only Guy Morriss was even remotely competitive.
- He stood by and let Kevin Steele stick around for 4 years despite being far worse than his crappy predecessor. This is taken from Baylor's ask the AD bit from November 2001, year 3 of 4 with Steele getting blown out worse than any BU coach... ever.
Oh good god that is horrible. Thank god we have Ian McCaw running things now so this crap never happens again...
...aaaand the 2002 Cal Bears just scored again.
- He hired & kept around Dave Bliss because he was "a good christian guy". Great judgement call on that one bud.
- Gave small assistant coach salary budgets
- Took an athletic program that historically was the clear #3 in the final years of the SWC and beat it with an ugly stick. (We had winning records vs all but UT & ATM of the final 8 teams and were better than Tech)
Briles is finally turning the program around and the financial support the program is getting (Phil Bennett the new DC basically had a ton of cash to hire the assistants he wanted) dwarfs anything we have seen at BU since Grant Teaff was coach. We are an easy school to recruit to (within 3 hours of every major TX recruiting base and within 1.5 of DFW & Austin) and we have recruited well in every other sport. My full expectation is for Baylor to spend the next decade at a similar level of success to what Tech & OSU had over the last decade. If we can hold onto CAB, I do not feel that is unrealistic.
Briles has done a fantastic job with a sorry defensive staff up until now. When we hired him we lacked speed and depth on defense and had zero push from our OL in the run game. All of that has changed IMO.
(btw ISU is probably going to replace KU's spot of north team that can occasionally make a big time run but be solid otherwise that they enjoyed under Mangino. Rhoads is a very good coach. I think KU is in for a world of hurt unless Gill gets better assistants as his initial hires failed at stops with more relative talent to their competition. You won't have more talent at KU than you will face going against UT & OU.
- He fired Chuck Reedy who had been at least decent as head football coach and did so in a way that many felt was premature
- He hired 3 coaches in football after that, of which only Guy Morriss was even remotely competitive.
- He stood by and let Kevin Steele stick around for 4 years despite being far worse than his crappy predecessor. This is taken from Baylor's ask the AD bit from November 2001, year 3 of 4 with Steele getting blown out worse than any BU coach... ever.
Oh good god that is horrible. Thank god we have Ian McCaw running things now so this crap never happens again...
...aaaand the 2002 Cal Bears just scored again.
- He hired & kept around Dave Bliss because he was "a good christian guy". Great judgement call on that one bud.
- Gave small assistant coach salary budgets
- Took an athletic program that historically was the clear #3 in the final years of the SWC and beat it with an ugly stick. (We had winning records vs all but UT & ATM of the final 8 teams and were better than Tech)
Briles is finally turning the program around and the financial support the program is getting (Phil Bennett the new DC basically had a ton of cash to hire the assistants he wanted) dwarfs anything we have seen at BU since Grant Teaff was coach. We are an easy school to recruit to (within 3 hours of every major TX recruiting base and within 1.5 of DFW & Austin) and we have recruited well in every other sport. My full expectation is for Baylor to spend the next decade at a similar level of success to what Tech & OSU had over the last decade. If we can hold onto CAB, I do not feel that is unrealistic.
Briles has done a fantastic job with a sorry defensive staff up until now. When we hired him we lacked speed and depth on defense and had zero push from our OL in the run game. All of that has changed IMO.
(btw ISU is probably going to replace KU's spot of north team that can occasionally make a big time run but be solid otherwise that they enjoyed under Mangino. Rhoads is a very good coach. I think KU is in for a world of hurt unless Gill gets better assistants as his initial hires failed at stops with more relative talent to their competition. You won't have more talent at KU than you will face going against UT & OU.
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Except when you're talking about a time span of 15 years, exception BECOMES the rule. You said it yourself - an entire generation only knows of Baylor as a suckfest. What Baylor did 15-20 years ago is irrelevant - Baylor can't sell recruits on it and it doesn't put arses in the seats.
Want a true example of exception to the rule? Iowa the last year of Haden Fry's career and the first 3 years of Kirk Ferentz's. With the exception of that 4 year blip and a year or two here and here, at least 8 wins and/or relevant bowl game is the rule.
But there's no such thing as a 15 year exception - when something goes on for that long it's a well-established rule.
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2004- Close game that could have gone either way and finished with a 1 point margin. We outgained you 450 to 257. You had a fumble return td to help win it and a clear push off by Blythe to keep the final TD drive alive on a long catch IIRC. If ISU fans call 2005 a fluke, we reserve the right to do the same here.
2009- No RG3 and tons of injuries as well on defense and NFL drafted RB Jay Finley. Despite all this it was a 14 point final score with almost identical yards per play. Give us RG3 and we likely win IMO.
Congrats on the two wins here but neither was some epic beatdown. Anything in the Big 12 before that was in the dark ages for BU where most beat us or you should be embarrassed you didn't.
Idk, I just watched the Illinois vs. Baylor game on the BTN. Count me as one thats not scared.
