ISU Student and Champion Golfer Celia Barquin Arozamena Murdered at Coldwater Golf Course

Al_4_State

Moderator
Staff member
SuperFanatic
SuperFanatic T2
Mar 27, 2006
32,140
28,111
113
39
Driftless Region
Visit site
Not to get all politicy on this, but having worked in the criminal justice system for a bit it's amazing how much someone can get away with before they spend any meaningful time in prison. The reason for that is absolutely overcrowding, which is due in large part to mandatory minimums in drug cases. As long as you stay away from drugs or something particularly heinous, they'll just keep putting suspended sentences and probation over your head.

100%. I've seen cases where it was pretty clear the judge was feeling pressure to be very selective with imprisonment.

And yes, the drug cases are the biggest reason for this. The misplaced emphasis on drug crimes in our judicial system was the most infuriating part of working in it for me. It starts at the top and rots its way to the bottom. I can't tell you how many times I saw phoned in assault or theft investigations, only to see intricate and persistent investigations of marijuana dealers. It's just astoundingly misguided and pointless.
 

JaCyn

Well-Known Member
Mar 18, 2017
1,720
924
113
53
Tragic story and clearly one thing we can agree on is lack of mental health funding contributed by the state government. The defendant was clearly a misguided psychotic with severe mental deficiencies. He belonged locked in a psych ward and not left homeless near a bunch of college girls. His rap sheet clearly indicated he was a threat.

He had nowhere to go and was left to his own sick thoughts. Now as tax payers we will suffer to keep him locked away for a 60+ years and the world has lost such a beautiful and talented woman. Iowa also gains more international infamy due to another young woman being murdered in cold blood.

So tell me what’s worse this? Or increased mental health funding and DoC and DCI funding. Can’t have both a GOP state controlled government that is hell bent on corporate welfare and tax cuts for the wealthy and solid social services.

Also just look at state governement staff turnover at DHS. It is crazy. They can’t keep and recruit people willing to work there. Iowa has let people like Collin Richards and Christhian Riveria fall through the cracks and it cost Mollie and Celia their lives.
I'm sorry, I don't care if you have mental issues or not. If you kill some one and its premeditated you should be put to death.
 

Gunnerclone

Well-Known Member
Jul 16, 2010
74,421
77,812
113
DSM
Prosecutors find a lot of expediency in putting people on probation, because it's often really easy to get them into prison on violations, which don't require the burden of proof of a trial. You only have to show they violated the terms of probation, which doesn't require a jury finding they committed something beyond a reasonable doubt.

The problem is that you can run into judges who are really hesitant to imprison people who violate probation. My guess is that was the case here.

There’s so little hesitation to lock up non-violent drug offenders when they piss dirty but the second chances for theft/domestics/etc are never ending.
 

JaCyn

Well-Known Member
Mar 18, 2017
1,720
924
113
53
There’s so little hesitation to lock up non-violent drug offenders when they piss dirty but the second chances for theft/domestics/etc are never ending.
Agree, drug offenders should be low low low priority.
 

TXCyclones

Well-Known Member
SuperFanatic
SuperFanatic T2
Sep 13, 2011
11,347
12,468
113
TX
I'm sorry, I don't care if you have mental issues or not. If you kill some one and its premeditated you should be put to death.

Curious to your thoughts, but what does this solve? It's been proven that death penalty is not a deterrent. So it won't stop any future crime by another person. The guy is going to suffer the rest of his life (as he should).
 
  • Agree
Reactions: GoodyISU1

MeowingCows

Well-Known Member
Jun 1, 2015
39,261
39,602
113
Iowa
Curious to your thoughts, but what does this solve? It's been proven that death penalty is not a deterrent. So it won't stop any future crime by another person. The guy is going to suffer the rest of his life (as he should).
Not only a deterrent, the death penalty isn't even a punishment. More often than not, it's taking someone with nothing to lose and removing them from all earthly pains, stress, etc. That's not a punishment, that's relief from responsibility.
 

CyOps

Well-Known Member
Jul 12, 2010
4,565
1,728
113
Lincoln
Here in Lincoln there is a large homeless population. I see them everyday. The police and Center Pointe (centerpointe.org) know who most of them are and where they sleep most nights. Center Pointe will find a place for anyone to sleep if they follow the rules (no alcohol consumption). Therefore the ones you see sleeping on the street are usually drinking or mentally ill.

I have business cards from Lincoln Police and Center Pointe on my desk. Both have said to call them if the regulars I see cause a problem or seem like they are having health problems.
 

Chitowncy

Well-Known Member
SuperFanatic
Jan 14, 2009
2,273
1,522
113
Ames
I have a good answer. No warrants. Bulldoze it. When they move elsewhere, bulldoze it again. And again. And again. Until they leave.

This is the kind of reactionary decision-making process that leads to poor policy. This is a complex problem and the solution will not be simple, but probably complex.

Also, as human beings we always want to find a solution. Sometimes, there's just sick people who can't be helped and the crime could not have reasonably been avoided. Life doesn't always make sense. Some decisions people make are irrational.

I'm not saying that's the case here, as it may have been preventable if the facts suggest so, but it is too early to say and too early to conclude the problem was nearby homeless camps that need to be bulldozed. Your suggestion implies bulldozing them would have prevented this crime.

Regardless, so, so sad and tragic. Heartbreaking.
 

JY07

Well-Known Member
Aug 20, 2009
1,615
337
83
DSM
Curious to your thoughts, but what does this solve? It's been proven that death penalty is not a deterrent. So it won't stop any future crime by another person. The guy is going to suffer the rest of his life (as he should).

What does it being a deterrent matter? Do you think he believed life in prison to be a deterrent?

How does society benefit in a scenario like this by supporting a person behind bars for decades?
 
  • Agree
Reactions: usedcarguy

FinalFourCy

Well-Known Member
Mar 5, 2017
10,425
10,145
113
40
Until they leave and go where? Your view is so myopic it's disturbing.
Dilution isn’t the solution, nor is dispersion, but it can provide more utility than most immediate actions, such as do nothing due to feigning empathy.


The most impactful help is generally at the most local of levels, often grassroots. So dispersing and diluting isn’t just about NIMBY, it distributes out the costs of “helping” these people to more locales, which gives it a better chance of succeeding.
 
Last edited:

Tre4ISU

Well-Known Member
SuperFanatic
SuperFanatic T2
Dec 30, 2008
28,185
9,278
113
Estherville
National golf media and PGA Tour players (Johnson, Fleetwood) are talking about this now. I don't know what that really has to do with anything but the story will be big.
 

BryceC

Well-Known Member
SuperFanatic
SuperFanatic T2
Mar 23, 2006
26,405
19,538
113
Tragic story and clearly one thing we can agree on is lack of mental health funding contributed by the state government. The defendant was clearly a misguided psychotic with severe mental deficiencies. He belonged locked in a psych ward and not left homeless near a bunch of college girls. His rap sheet clearly indicated he was a threat.

He had nowhere to go and was left to his own sick thoughts. Now as tax payers we will suffer to keep him locked away for a 60+ years and the world has lost such a beautiful and talented woman. Iowa also gains more international infamy due to another young woman being murdered in cold blood.

So tell me what’s worse this? Or increased mental health funding and DoC and DCI funding. Can’t have both a GOP state controlled government that is hell bent on corporate welfare and tax cuts for the wealthy and solid social services.

Also just look at state governement staff turnover at DHS. It is crazy. They can’t keep and recruit people willing to work there. Iowa has let people like Collin Richards and Christhian Riveria fall through the cracks and it cost Mollie and Celia their lives.

All of this is true, however, this individual would have to seek and agree to being locked in a psych ward. That's probably unlikely.
 

Latest posts

Help Support Us

Become a patron