INSIDER: Camp standouts, wild Big 12 expansion rumor

acgclone

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You say CSU is dead weight, but demand grabbing either BYU or Boise St.

1. **** BYU.

2. Boise St is now dead weight. Their academics are worse than some community colleges and their football glory days are behind them - they peaked a decade ago. They are now well on their way to irrelevance. Just because they put up nice seasons now doesn't mean they are any longer relevant.


From a financial standpoint they're dead weight and worse than anyone that has been mentioned in tv ratings except maybe Tulane
 

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Just for fun, this would be my ideal scenario. Drop West Virginia and Baylor from the big 12. Add Oregon, Stanford, usc, ucla, Utah, Washington, Arizona, and Arizona state, to go to 16 teams and form a east and a west division. I think it seems plausible.
 
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jdoggivjc

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Just for fun, this would be my ideal scenario. Drop West Virginia and Baylor from the big 12. Add Oregon, Stanford, usc, ucla, Utah, Washington, Arizona, and Arizona state, to go to 16 teams and form a east and a west division. I think it seems plausible.

Good luck not getting sued by West Virginia if we just "dropped" them. They have no place else to go. If the SEC or ACC wanted them they'd be there already. We're stuck with them for better or for worse.
 

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I don't know if this has been mentioned, if we were to expand west by adding AZ, ASU and CU, that might be the beginning of the end for WVU in the Big12. It is over 2000 miles from Morgantown to Tucson. The Big12 would have to get creative with scheduling with a conference that spread out.

It's is over 1500 miles from Tucson to UW in Seattle. And not much closer to Wazzu, Oregon or OSU - each over 1300 miles away.

Morgantown is 2000 miles, Ames is 1450, and every other Big 12 school is less than about 1100 miles.
 

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Getting Arkansas would be great. Add Houston, Missouri back, and decide between Cincinnati and Colorado for a 4th.
 

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If the Arizona schools are really at play, (which I HIGHLY DOUBT they are)..... I am not sure why you would even want to take CU/CSU in the event that you could actually land Arizona and ASU.

In that scenario, I would recommend waiting for bigger fish from the P12. Utah/BYU might be an option down the road if the Arizona schools left, and you might hit the lottery if one or both of the Socal schools wanted out.

If you can get the Arizona schools why ever go after BYU. Utah is nothing special either. Take the 2 AZ schools and see what else you can get.

There has been talk for sometime about the PAC 12 being unstable. So those schools could be very much in play.
 

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Not exactly sure.
I would prefer adding the two AZ schools and pausing. That gets us to twelve, CCG with two divisions and we can wait to see if another two become of interest or if WV goes to ACC (which seems logical long term) we could ways grab one of those non P5s if needed. Colorado bolted because they wanted to and is now a bad sports program. If Arkansas wants in for any reason you take them
 

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I don't know if this has been mentioned, if we were to expand west by adding AZ, ASU and CU, that might be the beginning of the end for WVU in the Big12. It is over 2000 miles from Morgantown to Tucson. The Big12 would have to get creative with scheduling with a conference that spread out.

Or Big 12 is going straight to 16 teams, which seems even less plausible than raiding the Pac-12.

And if it were to happen, how does B12 "jettison" WVU? Make deal w/ ACC/SEC? And how is that accomplished? (I'm not challenging your basic premise as much as asking what would happen).
 

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As much as I love the idea of getting ASU, Zona, CU and another into the Big 12, it's not going to happen.

You're right, it will never happen. When the PAC added Colorado and Utah and went to two divisions it was a war between the schools for which division to be in. Southern California recruiting is the lifeblood for those athletic programs. There is no way that Arizona and ASU are going to give up that connection to California. It would be death athletically for both programs.
 

Clonehomer

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Or Big 12 is going straight to 16 teams, which seems even less plausible than raiding the Pac-12.

And if it were to happen, how does B12 "jettison" WVU? Make deal w/ ACC/SEC? And how is that accomplished? (I'm not challenging your basic premise as much as asking what would happen).

While it would not be popular here, make a deal with the SEC and ACC to finish the 4x16 model.
Move OU and OSU to the SEC (no arguments from them)
Move WVU to the ACC to join with ND
Take UA, ASU, CU, USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, Utah, CSU
Big10 scoops up Oregon and Washington (not ideal geographically, but fit academically)

WSU, OSU, BYU, BSU form the backbone of a pretty strong MWC.
 

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If the UA, ASU, and CU rumors are true then that puts the PAC12 in a real tough spot. They have some real high profile members but there isn't anyone in the area to join. If those four teams join the Big12, I'd think we'd have a good shot at going to 16 quickly as I just don't see the PAC12 lasting. If I were WSU and OSU I'd be looking closely into what's going on. If we thought we were in trouble if the Big12 falls apart, they would be in a much worse spot.

But the real question is if PAC12 teams are truly available, why CSU and not UCLA? Deal that conference a death blow and get ready to take USC and Stanford to get to 16. Oregon and Washington to the Big10 and we're on our way to 4x16. Sorry Utah
 

dafarmer

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There were rumors two weeks ago about UCLA having interest in the BIG 12. I posted this, but heard no feedback.
 

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There were rumors two weeks ago about UCLA having interest in the BIG 12. I posted this, but heard no feedback.
This was merely their past football coach suggesting they should be open to the idea. No one tied to current day UCLA has even shown an inkling of Big 12 interest.
 

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The timing of telling Bowlsby he could move on expansion always seemed strange ... but if some PAC schools were hinting they were available, that would explain a lot.
S you don't think it had anything to do with the ACC's GOR extension and television network announcement the day before the B12 made that announcement? There isn't an article on this topic anywhere that doesn't tie timing to that announcement.
 

Clonehomer

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S you don't think it had anything to do with the ACC's GOR extension and television network announcement the day before the B12 made that announcement? There isn't an article on this topic anywhere that doesn't tie timing to that announcement.

But it isn't like they called an emergency meeting to do so. It was the next planned meeting after the spring meetings. In the spring meetings they left with expansion to be on the agenda for the summer meeting. The interesting timing was the ACC announcing the TV deal right before the Big12 was scheduled to vote on expansion.
 

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