And I have no explanation. Just looks like an incompletion.
Incompletion at end of Virginia Tech/Miami game
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KidSilverhair
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If you can’t tell a call was wrong by looking at replays for a minute - or even 30 seconds - then “indisputable” proof doesn’t exist. You’re just looking for reasons to overturn the call by that point.
I always thought replay’s purpose was to catch fairly obvious things that the on-field officials didn’t see, like a foot out of bounds or a ball coming loose that was hidden from the officials’ angle. But the application has always seemed to be, where can we find the barest sliver of an interpretation of the rules to apply to this decision?
You left off subsection 1a. Unless the video replay decision will harm a favored team or potentially harm a conference post season, then all decisions should be weighted in toward that favorable decision.
Well, that's the problem, it shouldn't be subjective. If the rule says convinced beyond all doubt, then replay should only overturn the blatantly obvious mistakes. That would be logical and fair. None of this crap where the refs rule Okie State did not score, but replay, looking at an angle from the 5 yard line (the best view they had) decides he must have scored.
This is where I'm at. It's a tool to get the call right not to over turn calls from the refs on the field unless there's complete evidence to over turn. This wasn't clear evidence.
Something like possession usually ends up being pretty subjective. All it takes is for the replay official to be convinced. I personally can see how he came to the conclusion that it was incomplete, another official maybe would have thought differently.
I didn’t see crap on instant replay that would reverse that call.
The worst call was the holding call a few minutes earlier
The worst call was the holding call a few minutes earlier
Is not calling it a touchdown on the field by the ref just a "cover your ***" call. If called a touchdown, they can go to review and be overturned (or confirm the call was correct). But if called incomplete, it is not subject to review (at least that is my understanding of the NCAA Rules for reviews). This situation is not once of the few situations that incomplete passes can be reviewed.
I thought the initial call in the field was wrong. I think the Miami player had a hand on the ball and the VT player had two. But no one had full control and when they hit the ground the Miami player was OB so incomplete.
At the same time, I don’t see anyway you could overturn that call with the video evidence they had. So in a sense both teams were screwed, but VT more than Miami
At the same time, I don’t see anyway you could overturn that call with the video evidence they had. So in a sense both teams were screwed, but VT more than Miami
That was one of the craziest finishes in history. I don’t think the initial ruling should have been touchdown. It didn’t seem to me in real-time that an offensive player ever had clear possession to the ground. So I agree with the overturn on review.
Also, teams need to practice how to defend hail Mary’s good lord. I’m seeing more and more hail Mary’s completed or almost completed (this game, CU vs Baylor, CU vs NDSU, Denver vs Washington last year).
Everyone is trying to intercept the ball. Just knock the ball down or OB if you’re at the endline/sideline
Everyone is trying to intercept the ball. Just knock the ball down or OB if you’re at the endline/sideline
I like the concept of having a time limit and have had the same thought, but there are some logistical challenges to that. Multiple camera angles, multiple things to look for, etc.
Maybe something like once all available camera angles have been viewed, the crew has 2 minutes to make a decision on the original call. An additional 1 minute is available to confirm clock and field position.
What does everyone think about targeting reviews? Those only occur after targeting has been called, so limiting reviews necessarily means you will end up ejecting some players who played cleanly.
And I think that is the whole point. The play was ruled a touchdown on the field and there is no indisputable video evidence to refute that. VTU got screwed in my opinion.
Targeting reviews can be called without a flag being thrown on the field.
I don't know how you call that a TD on the field, but also don't know how you overturn that call based on the replays shown. Maybe the officials had an angle that TV didn't. Very weird situation for sure.
This is probably part of it - nobody is sure what the right call is on-the-field, so they have a conference to determine what call let's them go to replay. Then get it right, to the best of their ability, using the review. And I'm okay with that. "When in doubt, let it play out" and then go to replay. I think more calls get missed by turning them into non-reviewable plays.
Should referees have the option to say "we don't know what happened, so we're going to review"? Right now they aren't allowed to do that. They have to make a call, and that call determines whether or not they can even go to review.
All the rules on what can/can't be reviewed on video is weird to me. Seems to defeat the purpose of having video reviews entirely, just get it right. Or just do away with it and live with the human element like we did for many years. The halfway approach is odd to me.
