Incompletion at end of Virginia Tech/Miami game

[Cycsk]

Calling you CFB rules experts.

I watched the end of the Virginia Tech/Miami game and still don't know why they ruled it an incompletion.

• Did he not have control of the ball?
• Did he touch out-of-bounds?
• Was he out-of-bounds because he was touching someone else who was out-of-bounds?
• Was the ball out-of-bounds because it touched someone else who was out-of-bounds?

What are the rules that would govern an out-of-bounds call in that situation?

 

[BoomerClone]

I don’t know. Looked incomplete to me. BUT it was initially called catch so it’s a close call and I think either way a team would be screwed.

 

[Cloned4Life]

Calling you CFB rules experts.

I watched the end of the Virginia Tech/Miami game and still don't know why they ruled it an incompletion.

• Did he not have control of the ball?
• Did he touch out-of-bounds?
• Was he out-of-bounds because he was touching someone else who was out-of-bounds?
• Was the ball out-of-bounds because it touched someone else who was out-of-bounds?

What are the rules that would govern an out-of-bounds call in that situation?

Admittedly, not sure. Just didn’t look like a completion to me.

 

[clone52]

Calling you CFB rules experts.

I watched the end of the Virginia Tech/Miami game and still don't know why they ruled it an incompletion.

• Did he not have control of the ball?
• Did he touch out-of-bounds?
• Was he out-of-bounds because he was touching someone else who was out-of-bounds?
• Was the ball out-of-bounds because it touched someone else who was out-of-bounds?

What are the rules that would govern an out-of-bounds call in that situation?

Maybe there was an angle we couldn't see.

I call BS though. Review was exceptionally long and the referee didn't explain why it was overturned. This was the ACC protecting its playoff at large odds.

 

[Cloned4Life]

I don’t know. Looked incomplete to me. BUT it was initially called catch so it’s a close call and I think either way a team would be screwed.

I very much understand the “it was called on the field a certain way and there needs to be evidence to overturn THAT call..” - but at the same time, I’m really glad they overturned it.

Just saw the replay again on Gameday. How on earth did they rule that a TD on the field!?

 

[BoomerClone]

Actually. After watching it several more times. This was the right call. Incomplete.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

I think Tech got screwed. Not enough evidence to overturn.

 

[CyGuy5]

If you have to take 8 minutes to review the play it probably isn’t clear and convincing that it should be overturned. ACC clearly saw their one shot at the playoffs slipping away and had to do something. Watching it felt like something that would happen to Iowa State

 

[BoomerClone]

If you have to take 8 minutes to review the play it probably isn’t clear and convincing that it should be overturned. ACC clearly saw their one shot at the playoffs slipping away and had to do something. Watching it felt like something that would happen to Iowa State

Oh, this was a total nut cup moment that would happen to ISU. but in the new playoff system, the ACC is guaranteed a playoff spot. So, no ONE shot moment. Maybe you could argue 2 shot.

 

[RING4CY]

Watching it felt like something that would happen to Iowa State

2013 vs. Texas
2017 vs. Oklahoma State

 

[Cycsk]

Some of you are saying that it was an incompletion, but no one has yet explained why they think so. I gave four options in the OP, but I don't know and the ref didn't give an explanation. Perhaps the ACC will give an explanation eventually.

 

[Koala]

Some of you are saying that it was an incompletion, but no one has yet explained why they think so. I gave four options in the OP, but I don't know and the ref didn't give an explanation. Perhaps the ACC will give an explanation eventually.

Pretty sure it's a combo of 1 and 4. If you've seen the replay from behind/to the side of the end zone, it's iffy on if he has control in the air in the first place and the ball pops loose when he hits the ground, and then an OB Miami player touches it so the balls OB.

 

[1UNI2ISU]

It was 'probably' incomplete because the defender had his hand under the ball when the receiver hit the ground and the ball moved a little but there certainly wasn't enough to change the call based on what replays we saw.

I don't know if the ACC was protecting Miami or whatever but, at the end of the day, if Va Tech just kicks the damn field goal after the interception they aren't in that spot.

 

[CloneAlta]

Pretty sure it's a combo of 1 and 4. If you've seen the replay from behind/to the side of the end zone, it's iffy on if he has control in the air in the first place and the ball pops loose when he hits the ground, and then an OB Miami player touches it so the balls OB.

And this, after the refs took away a great play that ended on the Miami 1 yard line for a holding call that wasn’t a good at all—all in the same drive. After this experience, I’m sure Va. Tech and fans are ready to move to the Big 12!!

 

[RING4CY]

It was 'probably' incomplete because the defender had his hand under the ball when the receiver hit the ground and the ball moved a little but there certainly wasn't enough to change the call based on what replays we saw.

I don't know if the ACC was protecting Miami or whatever but, at the end of the day, if Va Tech just kicks the damn field goal after the interception they aren't in that spot.

I understand going for the fake field goal. A very Paul Rhoads thing to do, but it certainly came back to bite them in the butt.

 

[BigJCy]

 

[andybernard]

I was surprised it was overturned but I think it was probably the right call.

It looked like the receiver initially caught it, but when he hit the ground it jarred loose a little bit. He must survive the ground for it to be a catch. At that point, when everyone was scrambling for the loose ball, the Miami defender touched the ball, and part of him was laying out of bound. If a player that is out of bounds touches the ball, the play is dead. At that point, it's an incomplete pass.

Again, I am fairly sure that's what happened, but it was really hard to see in the replay, so with that I'm surprised it was overturned.

 

[Pope]

It's not complicated. During an official review, there must be indisputable video evidence that the call on the field was incorrect before the call can be overturned.

The replay video did not show indisputable evidence and Virginia Tech got robbed by it's own conference.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

They took an eternity to overturn the call. If it takes that long then it should stand as called. The ref was starring right at the play.

 

[Pope]

I was surprised it was overturned but I think it was probably the right call.

It looked like the receiver initially caught it, but when he hit the ground it jarred loose a little bit. He must survive the ground for it to be a catch. At that point, when everyone was scrambling for the loose ball, the Miami defender touched the ball, and part of him was laying out of bound. If a player that is out of bounds touches the ball, the play is dead. At that point, it's an incomplete pass.

Again, I am fairly sure that's what happened, but it was really hard to see in the replay, so with that I'm surprised it was overturned.

I would argue the receiver had control of the ball after he hit the ground. The Miami defender was moving the ball after they were down, but the receiver still had control.