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Actually, I think the opposite would happen. More parity would be the result. You wouldn't have 4 and 5 top 20 guys going to the same 2 or 3 programs every year if all the players stayed 4 years because they wouldn't have 4 or 5 openings every year. You would see more top recruits spread out to more teams.

I agree. You might have more older guys transferring out of the top schools because they are being recruited over, but in the end there would only be so many spots at Duke and Kentucky for 5 stars to play without being able to leave early.
 

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We played hard. The only thing that bothered me about the game was Cox's constant wining at the refs. She should have been T'd up at least twice. Not that it would have impacted the game just wanted it to stop.
 

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Actually, I think the opposite would happen. More parity would be the result. You wouldn't have 4 and 5 top 20 guys going to the same 2 or 3 programs every year if all the players stayed 4 years because they wouldn't have 4 or 5 openings every year. You would see more top recruits spread out to more teams.
I guess what made me think that four-year guys made it worse was UCLA's run. Wooden went out, like Ku today, and bought the best players across the country and then dominated the game for a couple of decades. They pretty much all stayed at UCLA three or four years.

 
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I waited till today to post on the game from last nite. Baylor has a very good team and the only things that will keep them from the championship are early round injuries (we hope this does not happen) and officials who call a tight game. This team plays with the attitude of their coach, tough but complaining about just about every call. They are fouled on every play on offense and never foul on defense. When Blum tweets about calls you know that there is a problem. I was so very proud of the way the team played last against Baylor and had all players played to their seasons averages we would have won the game IMO. When you only get 18 points from 6 players you can not win. Tough defense from BU and tired legs were an issue. At least KM in her presser gave us some credit for the way we played them. Now rest and on to the NCAA for a great run. GO CYCLONES
 

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Will be interesting if the hok women get a crack at Baylor. Wonder if Gustafson can drop 40 over Brown.

Think that would be a no, not with BOTH Browne and Cox in there. On the other hand, having Stewart in the lineup would help a lot on both ends. Bad news for the Hawks, like the Cyclones, kinda prefer a free wheeling offense that scores a lot, just the kind of offense that can stall against Baylor's defense.
 

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Part of the parity problem is teams like UConn and Baylor can snatch up all the top recruits most years because anyone that goes there has good odds of winning a national championship before they graduate. Mulkey even made it a point after the game last night to say she has the #1 recruiting class on the bench that is the future of that program along with whatever stat it was something like 13 of her 19 years there they have won the Big 12. If that wasn't a recruiting infomercial right there on live TV...

I thought our ladies played hard and unfortunately the final score was not representative of just how close the game was for about 3+ quarters till Baylor finally pulled away with a run. I hope our men's team watched that game because the women do so many things well that the men's team needs to start doing: play unselfish ball and move the ball around on offense then get back and play hard on defense too. It was a fun game to watch and I was proud of the effort our ladies gave. We are really going to miss Carleton and Middleton next season
 
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Womens basketball in my opinion is terrible. Women have other sports that take a lot of the talent like Volleyball, Soccer, Softball and many others. Womens basketball is boring as hell, The fundamentals are terrible, No dunking. It's just not interesting. It's like watching a game that is just not as good. Other womens sports are pretty good, like soccer and Volleyball because they can play the same game as the men.

So basically the talent pool in womens basketball is not that good compared to men which makes it unequal. Not to mention that the game has not evolved. It's like UCLA back in the day. The talent was all at UCLA. Wooden was not a great coach. He had the best players and the rest of the talent was spread all over the place. BTW Wooden cheated his ass off also.
 

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You guys, Kim Mulkey is a witch. Like an actual sorcerer. Rumor is she's fashioned 5 Horcruxes already and you all know the only way to create them, right? Of all college towns, why do you think she chose Waco, Tx to put down roots? They're certified All Americans in "looking the other way".
 

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As far as ball handling, I'd take our team over Baylor's 10 times out of 10. Carleton and Middleton are two of the best out there. Baylor did a good job staying tight on our shooters out of the three-point line, forcing us to go inside to their strength. They honestly played good defense against us all night, but we were working our asses off for points.

We did a great job tiring their bigs out for 3 quarters, but KM countered by slowing the game into a half court game and dominated us inside in the fourth. That final score looks bad, but anyone that watched the game knows that was a helluva game for 3 quarters.
 
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Womens basketball in my opinion is terrible. Women have other sports that take a lot of the talent like Volleyball, Soccer, Softball and many others. Womens basketball is boring as hell, The fundamentals are terrible, No dunking. It's just not interesting. It's like watching a game that is just not as good. Other womens sports are pretty good, like soccer and Volleyball because they can play the same game as the men.

So basically the talent pool in womens basketball is not that good compared to men which makes it unequal. Not to mention that the game has not evolved. It's like UCLA back in the day. The talent was all at UCLA. Wooden was not a great coach. He had the best players and the rest of the talent was spread all over the place. BTW Wooden cheated his ass off also.

Terrible fundamentals? Are you serious? From screens to bounce passes to box outs to proper passing angles to free throws to defense, this team bleeds fundamentals.

And talent? I'd hate like hell to try to play against BC or AM. They have filthy cross-overs plus the ability to hit a three, drive strong or hit a fade-away.
 

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Terrible fundamentals? Are you serious? From screens to bounce passes to box outs to proper passing angles to free throws to defense, this team bleeds fundamentals.

And talent? I'd hate like hell to try to play against BC or AM. They have filthy cross-overs plus the ability to hit a three, drive strong or hit a fade-away.


The fundementals things has been blown way over the top for so long. The fundamentals in the womens game is f'n terrible. The dribbling is terrible compared to men. Could they beat me? Yeah I don't play basketball anymore and I am 45. However, if you watch a mens game compared to a womens game, the fandamentals are not even close. The men are far superior.
 

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The biggest factor is probably that the higher scholarship limit condenses the talent into fewer programs.

Academics is likely a larger concern for most recruits as well. Even fewer than in the men's game will go pro, so that both gives some schools an enduring advantage (Stanford for example) as well as probably reduces the number that transfer as well.

Do they still give out 15-16 scholarships for women's teams, as opposed to 13 for men?

Is there a particular reason the women are allowed a deeper bench of scholarship players like that? I have always thought 13 was even excessive for the men, probably tending towards more like 12 (with 3 available for each of the four years) if I had to choose.

Having 15-20 blue chip recruits spread themselves out among second-tier programs instead of cramming themselves onto the benches of the blue bloods would help out the competitive balance of the sport significantly. Plus, I thought we all wanted to see them actually play.

Is it just a little help to tip the scales on balancing Title IX requirements?

Part of the parity problem is teams like UConn and Baylor can snatch up all the top recruits most years because anyone that goes there has good odds of winning a national championship before they graduate. Mulkey even made it a point after the game last night to say she has the #1 recruiting class on the bench that is the future of that program along with whatever stat it was something like 13 of her 19 years there they have won the Big 12. If that wasn't a recruiting infomercial right there on live TV...

I thought our ladies played hard and unfortunately the final score was not representative of just how close the game was for about 3+ quarters till Baylor finally pulled away with a run. I hope our men's team watched that game because the women do so many things well that the men's team needs to start doing: play unselfish ball and move the ball around on offense then get back and play hard on defense too. It was a fun game to watch and I was proud of the effort our ladies gave. We are really going to miss Carleton and Middleton next season

I think the story of the women's program lately has some lessons for the men's program. I was in Ames during the Ezell-Lacey-Bolte era, and it was great. Since then, as we all know, the women's team has been rather up-and-down as a program.

Seeing that continuity and persistence can rebuild a program, even though Fennelly could have retired out of the situation he was in a few years ago, is a nice lesson. A good coach can recognize weaknesses, change, and build a program up to new heights.

Womens basketball in my opinion is terrible. Women have other sports that take a lot of the talent like Volleyball, Soccer, Softball and many others. Womens basketball is boring as hell, The fundamentals are terrible, No dunking. It's just not interesting. It's like watching a game that is just not as good. Other womens sports are pretty good, like soccer and Volleyball because they can play the same game as the men.

So basically the talent pool in womens basketball is not that good compared to men which makes it unequal. Not to mention that the game has not evolved. It's like UCLA back in the day. The talent was all at UCLA. Wooden was not a great coach. He had the best players and the rest of the talent was spread all over the place. BTW Wooden cheated his ass off also.

Making fun of their fundamentals? And the lack of dunking?

I sentence you to death.

By snu-snu.
 

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Terrible fundamentals? Are you serious?
Yeah, some boys just can't get beyond themselves. They bemoan the women's game and then cheer for the men when the NBA is clearly 10x superior. Thus, bubbas' boy argument doesn't make sense.

Women play a different game than men. It can be thoroughly entertaining when played the right way. I didn't enjoy watching BU beat down ISU. But I did enjoy seeing how the Twisters attacked them and played Baylor pretty much dead even for three quarters.

I still don't understand the disparity in talent across the women's game, although the volleyball explanation is a new angle that makes sense. In MBB, playing old makes up for raw talent. That doesn't happen in WBB because they all stay 4 years.
 

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Womens basketball in my opinion is terrible. Women have other sports that take a lot of the talent like Volleyball, Soccer, Softball and many others. Womens basketball is boring as hell, The fundamentals are terrible, No dunking. It's just not interesting. It's like watching a game that is just not as good. Other womens sports are pretty good, like soccer and Volleyball because they can play the same game as the men.

So basically the talent pool in womens basketball is not that good compared to men which makes it unequal. Not to mention that the game has not evolved. It's like UCLA back in the day. The talent was all at UCLA. Wooden was not a great coach. He had the best players and the rest of the talent was spread all over the place. BTW Wooden cheated his ass off also.

Yes, but what do you think about their shorts?
 

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The fundementals things has been blown way over the top for so long. The fundamentals in the womens game is f'n terrible. The dribbling is terrible compared to men. Could they beat me? Yeah I don't play basketball anymore and I am 45. However, if you watch a mens game compared to a womens game, the fandamentals are not even close. The men are far superior.

I feel like you're confusing overall athleticism with fundamentals. And I'd put Carleton and Middleton's dribbling ability ahead of a number of D1 men that I've watched this year.
 
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Why do you say that? How do you know how big of hearts players in the mens game have? That is a strange statement. I am not confusing anything. Womens basketball is terrible compared to most womens sports. It just is.
i've watched the games. testy, whiny, entitled guys versus what i saw from those isu gals last night. there's no comparison in passion for the game. shalee lehning was competitive as any athlete i've ever seen at k-state.
 
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Good comments all. You also have a good percentage of talented, athletic bigs playing volleyball

Yeah, some boys just can't get beyond themselves. They bemoan the women's game and then cheer for the men when the NBA is clearly 10x superior. Thus, bubbas' boy argument doesn't make sense.

Women play a different game than men. It can be thoroughly entertaining when played the right way. I didn't enjoy watching BU beat down ISU. But I did enjoy seeing how the Twisters attacked them and played Baylor pretty much dead even for three quarters.

I still don't understand the disparity in talent across the women's game, although the volleyball explanation is a new angle that makes sense. In MBB, playing old makes up for raw talent. That doesn't happen in WBB because they all stay 4 years.

This is a big issue. There just aren't that many big post players like Megan Gufstason or Angie Welle who play through contact in the post. Heck, as good as Brown is, both her and Cox don't like playing with contact. A lot of these girls go to volleyball because they don't like the physicality/contact that has become WBB.
 
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