He did what he needed to do which is not much so I consider that great coaching by Prohm because that is harder to do than come in and be a typical doosh CBB coach. Prohm humbleness is awesome.
Hoiberg fired from the Bulls
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He did what he needed to do which is not much so I consider that great coaching by Prohm because that is harder to do than come in and be a typical doosh CBB coach. Prohm humbleness is awesome.
Didn't read through the whole thread, so I don't know how many on here are bashing the hell out of Fred. For me, and ISU fans I know, none of us were angry that he left for the pros or thought he did any disservice to ISU. It was more of bewilderment that he left ISU for the Bulls job. Seems everyone but him knew it was going to be a disaster and it was tough to see him leave what he had at ISU for that particular job. I was mad at him for what I knew would be another notch in Chicago as another ISU Guy who couldn't hack it in the NBA.
If I was Bulls ownership, My first firings would have been Gar and Pax and I would have given Fred another year at least with a new head office in charge. Those two clowns are robbing that franchise blind and the fact they both still have a job is a travesty to professional sports.
Yea because Prohm should have fixed the imbalance between classes in one year.
Obviously you are intent on clinging to the past - your call.
We can check in on this thread during the next 4 March's as we play in the tourney. Go ahead and flag it.
The last two pages are exactly my point in all of the debate between the two. People are talking past each other. Some can’t accept that there are valid criticisms of Prohm. Right now I’m not really seeing anyone being overly critical of Prohm. It seems a lot of calling for recognizing the reality of his first two year. He could have easily destroyers those teams but he also could have done a better job with those teams. We can debate those differences without calling each other idiots.
One year? He got the job in early June 2015, the beginning of last season was November 2017.
This isn’t k state and Loyola.
Btw, you aren’t an Iowa State fan, why are you here pretending to be one? It makes you look really ******* stupid.
Just what was the reality of the first two prohm teams? I’m curious as to your perspective.
And the Jessie guy is an idiot, so truth wins out
Go back to emaw, your intellect is far more suited there.
What level did Hoiberg have us at?
Really weird statements from the Bulls management about why the felt the move needed to be made. How Paxson and Forman are still in their spots is beyond me because they could honestly be in the bottom 5 worst offices in the nba which caused the mess they are in to be so bad, yet throwing a coach under the bus was the avenue they went with. Good thinking. Guessing Fred is glad to be done with it, while getting to cash the checks on top of it.
My thoughts exactly. I'm not sure how Fred didn't see it either. Maybe Fred saw a guaranteed $25 million, and with his heart issues thought "I'm not sure how long I'm going to be here, let's make that paper" and then Caroll and kids are always setup for life regardless of whatever he wants to do now.
i thought there was a rule against multiple accounts? maybe their are no rules now.
@Urbandale2013 I think we are pretty similar in our thinking of Prohm's performance thus far, but I do think many people really overestimate the potential of those 2016 and 2017 ISU teams.
Those teams had amazing shooting and some really fun offense, but defensively there were some major liabilities and potential to create mismatches by the opposing team. Also when you play so many awesome guards you most often sacrifice dearly in offensive and defensive rebounding. Prohm may have underachieved in 2018, but I think given the roster construction there is a compelling argument that he overachieved in 2016 and 2017. For example when you compare preseason to final Sagarin, KPI, and KenPom ratings, ISU maintained or exceeded expectations in those first 2 years.
Perhaps Prohm's best attribute is being able to make some difficult decisions early know that it will be worth it when it really matters at the end of the year. It is still TBD, but the early season suspensions might be another example of that.
p.s. The criticisms I have of Prohm are some of the transfer misses, seeming ineffectiveness of BLOB/SLOB plays, and slowness to make roster decisions. Starting tonight, how Prohm incorporates 4 players and manages the chemistry and minutes of a team that has been humming will be really fascinating. It might be his most difficult and telling test yet.
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kudos to Hoiberg for cashing when his star was shining brightly. College coaches becoming successful in NBA are rare. I only see him moving back to college if it is at blue chip school with a couple of assistants with deep AAU ties to funnel him high level talent. He is following Floyd's blueprint closely.
