Not entirely true since ISU gave him a shot at being a HC with absolutely no experience. Not a single other P5 school afforded him that opportunity. You can make the case he paid that back with how well he did but it the time was a huge favor to him and big gamble for us.
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Not entirely true since ISU gave him a shot at being a HC with absolutely no experience. Not a single other P5 school afforded him that opportunity. You can make the case he paid that back with how well he did but it the time was a huge favor to him and big gamble for us.
Not really that much of a gamble when you look at where ISU was at.
I think the college chatter is really just about his agent doing his work. Same reason Hornacek was getting mentioned for the ISU job but there was never any real interest on his end. I believe he is going back to coach in college when I see it or hear it from his mouth.
People diminishing what Fred did at ISU to
A. Build up Prohm
B. Because they are still mad he left even though it’s been a couple years
C. Mad he’s rumored to return to college
sucks. I’m grateful to Fred getting Hilton Magic back after the McDermott hire.
Maybe Prohm and Hoiberg are both good coaches? IMO, I’d like to see Prohm show success without previous coaches players before annointing him an amazing coach. He did a good job with Hoibergs guys.
Part of the job is recruiting. He has good classes and has brought in Shayok and Jacobsen who look to being great finds. We’ve seen highly rated recruits at Iowa St. not pan out. However, this class looks pretty good so far so I have faith in Prohm to keep the momentum going.
A. Build up Prohm
B. Because they are still mad he left even though it’s been a couple years
C. Mad he’s rumored to return to college
sucks. I’m grateful to Fred getting Hilton Magic back after the McDermott hire.
Maybe Prohm and Hoiberg are both good coaches? IMO, I’d like to see Prohm show success without previous coaches players before annointing him an amazing coach. He did a good job with Hoibergs guys.
Part of the job is recruiting. He has good classes and has brought in Shayok and Jacobsen who look to being great finds. We’ve seen highly rated recruits at Iowa St. not pan out. However, this class looks pretty good so far so I have faith in Prohm to keep the momentum going.
This recipe for losing your job folks:
1. Take a position with poor upper-level management.
2. Inherit players who resent you for the person you replaced and have no respect for you.
3. Upper-level management makes some confounding player roster decisions that do not fit your system.
4. Start acquiring young talent that fits your system, BUT injuries renders them unable to play.
5. Once injured players plan to return to playing, upper management decides to fire you so they can attribute the improved play to the dismissal of a coach (when in fact the newfound success is because of the return of key players).
6. Front-office looks brilliant.
In reality, Hoiberg never commanded the respect in the locker room as a head NBA coach starting with his first few seasons with veteran rosters. Even this year there were signs that Hoiberg did not really have command of players, such as LaVine waiving off a play from Hoiberg in the closing seconds to lose to San Antonio recently. If players do not respect you it is hard to do your job.
1. Take a position with poor upper-level management.
2. Inherit players who resent you for the person you replaced and have no respect for you.
3. Upper-level management makes some confounding player roster decisions that do not fit your system.
4. Start acquiring young talent that fits your system, BUT injuries renders them unable to play.
5. Once injured players plan to return to playing, upper management decides to fire you so they can attribute the improved play to the dismissal of a coach (when in fact the newfound success is because of the return of key players).
6. Front-office looks brilliant.
In reality, Hoiberg never commanded the respect in the locker room as a head NBA coach starting with his first few seasons with veteran rosters. Even this year there were signs that Hoiberg did not really have command of players, such as LaVine waiving off a play from Hoiberg in the closing seconds to lose to San Antonio recently. If players do not respect you it is hard to do your job.
Ehh. There were definitely better candidates out there that would have taken the job, but I was definitely okay with hiring Fred.
P6 schools with coaches on the "hot seat" at the start of the season...
https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2018/10/08/hot-seat-coaches-steve-alford-richard-pitino
UCLA
St. John's
Georgia Tech
Minnesota
Wake Forest
Maryland
Nebraska
DePaul
Penn State
...surprised they did not have Texas on there.
https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2018/10/08/hot-seat-coaches-steve-alford-richard-pitino
UCLA
St. John's
Georgia Tech
Minnesota
Wake Forest
Maryland
Nebraska
DePaul
Penn State
...surprised they did not have Texas on there.
Not really. It is about taking a step back and analyzing the teams. Some of it also has to do with a difference in where people put value on aspects of a season. Many put almost all focus on postseason results. IMO that is misguided and prone to overreactions.
If we look back to Prohms tenure at Murray State it really isn’t as impressive as many treat it. He had the one year but he was also at the clear Gonzaga of the OVC and had multiple NBA PGs. When he got here he had two of the most talented teams in program history. He did achieve what he needed to but a sweet sixteen and a Big 12 tournament title isn’t overachieving by any means. Last year was a tough spot with the recruiting issues so that is a pass. This year should minimum be a tournament team and it has potential to be back to a special team. He deserves credit for this year because he has done a great job.
The issue is people have said he could miss the tournament this year and next year and still not be on the hot seat. That is BS. Let’s take a reasoned analysis of his tenure. No more overreactions.
I will not argue that Prohm is an "amazing" coach...few are.
BUT I will argue that Prohm was the just coach ISU needed after Hoiberg left. I hold no resentment toward Hoiberg either, I just get tired of being a Prohm apologist to those who still seem dissatisfied or still in "wait and see" mode on job he has done. The Prohm-Hoiberg comparisons are unfair to both coaches because they are completely different situations.
The success he has this year will probably turn the tide (one way or the other) for many ISU fans still unsure of Prohm. And even before ISU, Prohm had a strong resume as a solid coach in a mid-major from an analytics perspective.
Step 1. - Leave ISU for Chicago, so no one expects it. Check
Step 2. - Get and undercover agent (Paige) in the KU organization to get the dirt. Check
Step 3. - Expose KU for all the cheating they've done, so they have to fire Self. In Process
Step 4. - Land the job you've secretly wanted, because Danny Manning was always your favorite player and this has been your plan since you were 12.
"Let me tell you a story about a man named Fred....something...something...something...loaded up his truck and moved to Beverly."I am! UCLA and Hollywood Fred, the new Major of Beverly Hills.
The coat flip, hands on the hips move Hoiberg makes when Lavine waves off Carter is fantastic.
Thanks for having a solid and rational reply. Sums up my feelings pretty well. I was disappointed in him leaving only because of what could have been, he had a great run but definitely hadn't peaked.
Meh. I guess I'm kind of ambivalent. I don't feel bad for Fred that he was fired. He's a grown *** man who made a grown *** man decision. It didn't work out. That's life.
If he decides to coach at another college, I won't harbor any ill will toward Fred but I would expect him to be a loyal alum ($$$) like the rest of us.
If he decides to coach at another college, I won't harbor any ill will toward Fred but I would expect him to be a loyal alum ($$$) like the rest of us.
