Has the Rot Started to Set In?
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I kind of get what you're saying. But why is this conversation necessary now? It's two games into the season, with every goal that could have been expected for this team still entirely possible. To this point, the season's biggest disappointment is losing a game that is so notoriously ugly and unpredictive of the teams' records that it was nicknamed "El Assico" before Campbell even got to Iowa State.
Is there any harm in waiting two weeks to start discussing whether Campbell is on an irreversible slide? I'm not even asking you to wait until we're halfway through the season. Just at least let them get into Big 12 play first, then you can start digging Campbell's grave, if you still think it's necessary.
Why are we bringing KU into this? Because they beat Illinois who just lost their DC? I like the KU story as much as the next but let's not act like KU was a world beater last year. We had to miss what, 3 field goals to lose to them by 3 at their place with our bad offense? They also lost 7 of 8 games to end the year. I'm just stating that in our down year last year and their best season since 2007, we still should've beat em. They also had one of the worst defenses in the country so pick your poison.
I don't think so, I just think they're young and Campbell is afraid to make mistakes on offense so they play a little scared as well. I think we will get much better as the season goes on and next year could be a strong year.
Go back and check my track record on Rhoads. I bet you were being the same guy then as you are now.
Not rot, just the realization that CMC isn’t likely to get the most out of his rosters
Gone is the excitement and expectation that the close losses due to bad execution we had early under CMC are going to become wins once we have a roster develop and coached for years by CMC
When we have elite ISU talent with a favorable schedule we’ll still have winning seasons. Perhaps if we get out of the Iowa game, another 9 win season is possible
Not much improvement is needed to be top-25, but after 7 years it doesn’t seem that CMC knows offense or ST well enough to get it.
But we can hold our heads high being the best 7-6 or 4-8 team
It isn't anything particular to KU specifically, except that they've been regarded as a gettable Big 12 win for a long time and its normal to look at where you stand in a conference pecking order when you're wondering where the wins will come from.
These aren't my thoughts, but what I see keep coming up in conversations and from people on CF when they have "concerns" about Campbell. People just assume that change always brings improvement which should be ridiculous if you've followed ISU for a long time.
I think with solid special teams last year, the offense did not have to be very much better at all and ISU would have gone to a bowl game. I still think this team will contend for one this year, unless every one score game goes the wrong way again.
When did you start to feel it with CPR?
'12 was a bit of a starting point and '13 showed some pretty deep issues.
But for me that would mean CMC starts getting regularly housed by FCS and conference teams.
Change needed to happen and it did. But success doesn't happen in a straight line, contrary to a lot of people's beliefs. Not saying you think it does. We have to give it some time to see if these changes work out or not.
I agree completely. Being strictly results oriented makes it easy to pick where you come down, but it just isn't like that in reality.
I feel like the Oline was better last week.
I miss Jay Jordan's articles hashing this stuff out very concisely and objectively.
It was time for Rhoads to go. Mangino was a desperate reach. And Rhoads was recruiting poorly. Our DL was always weak. And our defensive secondary was undersized. We had the advantage of Divisions back then. And we were not even competitive in most games. This is nothing like that. We were losing recruiting battles to weak teams from lesser conferences. Everyone was ready for Rhoads to be fired. Rhoads left no doubt with the debacle at K-State.
Our OL has done a great job of protecting Rocco, we just need to figure out the run blocking, and that's very hard to do against a team like Iowa.
The QB is such an important position in today's football. We had a four year starter that led the program to new successes. With that there was stability. When he left, there was no doubt we would see some reset in the program. That should have been a one year process, but the gambling issue changed that. Unfortunately we spend all of last year getting our QB of the future experience only to lose him. As a result, last year was pretty much a waste. We are very young this year. Playing all these young guys including Rocco and JJ now should benefit us next year and beyond. I do think we are more talented than last year overall, so hopefully we see improvement throughout year and make a bowl game.
It's only two games and we're going to have see how it plays out, but if our defense continues to be elite and our offense improves steadily as the year goes on, we're going to win the close games that we should've last year because I do believe in our special teams this year. Again, it's early, but Perkins and Contreraz have been very good so far.
I'd say getting lit up by UNI in 2013 was a pretty good indicator of how things were.
Assume they defeat Ohio (sort of have to or else the "season is over").
The Big 12 home games are...
Oklahoma State
TCU
Kansas
Texas
You'd still need four wins for a bowl at that point...
I'd think you have to 3/4 that above (assuming Texas is back to being a Death Star after 20 years as a pontoon boat). Then pull one road win against a vulnerable team... Baylor? BYU?
We've seen the same problems from Campbell over the past eight years, including terrible offensive play calling/schemes and incompetent clock management. Thinking that things are going to meaningfully improve at this point without a coaching change is the definition of insanity.
Yeah, anybody that had expectations higher than "progress and development from start to finish" for this year wasn't informed of our youth, coaching turnover, lack of prior development, or lack of Portal gets. Let's be realistic and wait to see how we progress as the year goes on.
