Harrison Barnes Poll

[mplscyclone]

One last thing about the whole Barnes situation:

All of us want him to go here for sure. It's just that it's such a huge let down if you assume you are going to get him and we end up not getting him.

This whole arguement and poll is different if Barnes is the best player in Iowa and he's in your backyard. He'd still get recruited by many schools, but not every single D1 program.

When you are a top 10 type guy, you can't fault ISU's recruiting that much. They are doing everything they can, and if it doesn't workout, I don't think it's a fault of Mac or anyone at ISU.

I think it's awesome that we even have a chance and are in the conversation. If it's any other top 10 player, it'd be much harder to even get the time of day from him.

The fact of the matter is that Barnes decision is not something that anyone has control over other than Barnes. The staff can show him as much love as possible, but he'll have his reasons either way.

The only way your fire Mac or blame him for not getting Barnes is if the staff just took him for granted and didn't put their best effort because they just assumed he'd go here... We all know that isn't the case at all.

 

[mplscyclone]

i think michael beasley was committed to UAB for a short time before he committed to kansas state

Another thing I forgot to mention is Beasley's former AAU coach being on the KSU staff.....

 

[Clones85']

Michael Beasley, Bill Walker, and now Wally Judge (all 5 stars) have all committed to Kansas St which was a much worse program than Iowa State.
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Some of this logic is bad. Here is a timeline:

March 23 2006 - Bob Huggins hired as coach of K-State
Fall 2006 - Bill Walker goes to KSU and plays in the 2006-2007 season (native of West Virginia, Bob Huggins has strong recuiting ties there)
2007- Beasley goes to KSU

Bob Huggins was able to get a star from his home state to go to his school. Bill Walker mixed with Huggins being the coach is the reason why Beasley went there. That success leads to Wally Judge, etc.

Those players didn't commit to KSU because everything was done right, and they just loved Manhatten. They did it because of who the coach was.

Bob Huggins is on a WAY different level of recruiting than Mac. Look at those Cincinatti teams that he coached... They always under performed, but they were amazing talent.

You can't say "KSU is a worse program and they got those guys, why can't ISU?" If ISU had Bob Huggins, we would've gotten some high profile players.

Now I'm not saying I'd want Bob Huggins. His players don't graduate and most of his players are punks. Plus, his style of play is more NBA and I really love the college game... Plus there's something about Huggins that's kinda douchey.

By your reasoning, please tell me if there is a difference between these two:

Walker and Beasley committ to a terrible program in Kansas St. Wheather it is b/c of Huggins or Martin, it doesn't matter. All we know is that they had a connection. You say the connection is that Walker is from WV. OK

Now you have Harrison Barnes. Our connection is that he is in our backyard. His dad played at Iowa State. His mom works at Iowa State. He practices and plays with the players. He goes in and watches tape with the coaches. We were the first school to offer him.

Tell me who has the better connection? And how is my logic bad? You say that KSU got those great players b/c of their connections...well hello we have slightly better connections with Harrison.

 

[mplscyclone]

UAB has a committment from the number 6 player in the 2009 class. UAB!!

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I didn't mean to leave this part out too... UAB is coached by Mike Davis... As in former IU basketball coach...

C-USA is also weak other than Memphis. If you put together the right team, you can win the conference somewhat easily. Same can't be said about the Big XII

 

[Tornado man]

Michael Beasley, Bill Walker, and now Wally Judge (all 5 stars) have all committed to Kansas St which was a much worse program than Iowa State.
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Some of this logic is bad. Here is a timeline:

March 23 2006 - Bob Huggins hired as coach of K-State
Fall 2006 - Bill Walker goes to KSU and plays in the 2006-2007 season (native of West Virginia, Bob Huggins has strong recuiting ties there)
2007- Beasley goes to KSU

Bob Huggins was able to get a star from his home state to go to his school. Bill Walker mixed with Huggins being the coach is the reason why Beasley went there. That success leads to Wally Judge, etc.

Those players didn't commit to KSU because everything was done right, and they just loved Manhatten. They did it because of who the coach was.

Bob Huggins is on a WAY different level of recruiting than Mac. Look at those Cincinatti teams that he coached... They always under performed, but they were amazing talent.

You can't say "KSU is a worse program and they got those guys, why can't ISU?" If ISU had Bob Huggins, we would've gotten some high profile players.

Now I'm not saying I'd want Bob Huggins. His players don't graduate and most of his players are punks. Plus, his style of play is more NBA and I really love the college game... Plus there's something about Huggins that's kinda douchey.

Unlike most, I'm a Bob Huggins fan. Cincinnati was down before he came, and now they're down after he was fired. He will not tolerate selfish offensive players. As far as graduation rates, he can't be any worse that Floyd or Eustachy. I believe that's more of a personal responsibility, anyway.
K-State should have made the NCAA tourney during his one year there. But what I'm most impressed with is his year at West Virgina, and how he totally changed that team, with players that he inherited, to adapt his defensive, physical basketball mind-set. For crying out loud, he turned a run-of-the-mill forward, Joe Alexander (white guy, to boot), into the eight overall pick in the NBA draft! His track record of developing NBA players helps him tremendously in recruiting, I'm sure.

 

[Tornado man]

By your reasoning, please tell me if there is a difference between these two:

Walker and Beasley committ to a terrible program in Kansas St. Wheather it is b/c of Huggins or Martin, it doesn't matter. All we know is that they had a connection. You say the connection is that Walker is from WV. OK

Now you have Harrison Barnes. Our connection is that he is in our backyard. His dad played at Iowa State. His mom works at Iowa State. He practices and plays with the players. He goes in and watches tape with the coaches. We were the first school to offer him.

Tell me who has the better connection? And how is my logic bad? You say that KSU got those great players b/c of their connections...well hello we have slightly better connections with Harrison.

Your logic is not bad - it is spot on. We have to be the undisputed leader for Harrison Barnes. Iowa State is part of his DNA!
His mom, Shirley, will use ISU as the measuring stick for any other school that he is considering...

 

[CyValley]

. . . When you are a top 10 type guy, you can't fault ISU's recruiting that much. They are doing everything they can, and if it doesn't workout, I don't think it's a fault of Mac or anyone at ISU. . . .

The fact of the matter is that Barnes decision is not something that anyone has control over other than Barnes. The staff can show him as much love as possible, but he'll have his reasons either way.

If there's such a thing as strength in numbers, just wanted to tell you at least one other fan here agrees with your opinion 100 percent on this issue. You're dead on (imho).

I'm thinking there are situations and "machinations" behind the scenes occurring to which most of we everyday fans do not know about. Fer instance, what sort of bond exists (if any) between Harrison and Top 100 player and 2010 commit Jordan Dykstra? They would make a great SF-PF duo at ISU.

With HB and JD on board, would any school in the nation have a better forward combo in the 2010 recruiting class? Mix them in with the current players who'll be around for several more seasons, how good might we be?

Further (OK, I'm dreaming now), could not HB and JD, working together, "recruit" a third incredibly talented recruiting class teammate, possibly? That is, the three might make a pact to come to Ames together and do very special things together. (Boy, won't the new practice facility help out in this way?)

Bottom line: With JD on board, with HB thinking seriously about ISU, with the new building and with JD and HB as a lure, with this scenario there might not be a better place in the country for HB to choose.

Of course, this is my perspective, not HB's (as far as any of us know). Who knows what thoughts -- considerations and impressions -- are percolating in his mind.

 

[CyBobby]

Your second option is true regardless. mcD will go or stay in the next few years based off his ability to win games not recruit one player.

Your rite my friend...If isu builds a b-ball practice facility and mcdermott still cant recruit or win....


GOODBYE MAC...IT'S TIME TO GO!!!!

 

[Wesley]

If They build it, They will Come?

Right now HarBar may end up being the best bball player to come out of Iowa - better than Hoiberg, Meyer, Collison, etc. From little ol' Ames.

 

[iowast8fan]

If you wanted to be a doctor, would you go to ISU just because it is your hometown and you are a huge cyclone fan? Or would you go to Iowa because it is a good medical school?

If HB is going to college primarily for a basketball career, he should go the a school that gives him the best chance for his future....like a Kansas, NC, Duke, etc... If he is going to school primarily for a specific degree, and secondly for basketball, then he should go to the school that best fits that career.

This is all my opinion, and every HS player go to a school for their own reasons. Hopefully, for the program and the fans, HB has more reasons to goto ISU than any other school.

 

[Clones85']

If you wanted to be a doctor, would you go to ISU just because it is your hometown and you are a huge cyclone fan? Or would you go to Iowa because it is a good medical school?

If HB is going to college primarily for a basketball career, he should go the a school that gives him the best chance for his future....like a Kansas, NC, Duke, etc... If he is going to school primarily for a specific degree, and secondly for basketball, then he should go to the school that best fits that career.

This is all my opinion, and every HS player go to a school for their own reasons. Hopefully, for the program and the fans, HB has more reasons to goto ISU than any other school.

That makes no sense as it is not even the same thing. If you are good you will get drafted no matter who you play for.

Where did Michael Olawakandi play? Chris Kaman? How bout Jason Thompson this year? Oh yeah, how high did Marcus Fizer get drafted? Kelvin Cato?

 

[jmb]

That makes no sense as it is not even the same thing. If you are good you will get drafted no matter who you play for.

Where did Michael Olawakandi play? Chris Kaman? How bout Jason Thompson this year? Oh yeah, how high did Marcus Fizer get drafted? Kelvin Cato?

Would you blame a kid with a perfect SAT for going to MIT instead of Iowa State-both are good schools one just has a bigger national rep. Come on think this through.


j

 

[Clones85']

Would you blame a kid with a perfect SAT for going to MIT instead of Iowa State-both are good schools one just has a bigger national rep. Come on think this through.


j

It's not even the same thing! If you go to MIT, you have your pick of jobs. Not so if you go to Iowa State.

But if you play basketball, you can be a lottery pick no matter what school you go to, what country you live in.

 

[SplitIdentity]

That makes no sense as it is not even the same thing. If you are good you will get drafted no matter who you play for.

Where did Michael Olawakandi play? Chris Kaman? How bout Jason Thompson this year? Oh yeah, how high did Marcus Fizer get drafted? Kelvin Cato?

The players that are interested in playing basketball only are primarily one-and-done players anyway. If that's the case, would you really be that excited about Barnes being on the team for one year?

If he's the type of player that also wants to go to school for a reason - learning - then he just may be a multi-year player. If that's the case, who knows where he's thinking.

 

[CyValley]

If you wanted to be a doctor, would you go to ISU just because it is your hometown and you are a huge cyclone fan? Or would you go to Iowa because it is a good medical school?

If I wanted to go to medical school, I'd try my damnedest to get into Johns Hopkins; why settle for The eiu?

If HB is going to college primarily for a basketball career, he should go the a school that gives him the best chance for his future....like a Kansas, NC, Duke, etc. . . .

This is just the thing -- who's to say which school gives him the best chance at a basketball future? Certainly not me. Sure stardom (as much as such a thing can be a sure thing) at ISU might be the best route for him to take rather than join a slate of five-star players at NC, or Duke, or. . . .

Especially if Mac recruits other top-notch players at other positions, like JD at power forward. Can HB get better coaching elsewhere than he would in Ames? Beats me. That's something he'll have to decide. But, I'd guess HB would get terrific basketball teaching at ISU, and if he has an outstanding "supporting" cast of teammates at ISU, well then. . . .

 

[Angie]

It's not even the same thing! If you go to MIT, you have your pick of jobs. Not so if you go to Iowa State.

But if you play basketball, you can be a lottery pick no matter what school you go to, what country you live in.

While I do agree that he would still probably have the same NBA shot no matter where he went, I can only imagine that he'd want to be a star on an elite team while he was in school... I hope that Harrison comes to ISU, but I couldn't blame him if he wanted to go somewhere with more exposure. Possibly somewhere warmer, or just a change of pace! I know I wouldn't have wanted to stay in my hometown for college.

 

[Clones85']

The players that are interested in playing basketball only are primarily one-and-done players anyway. If that's the case, would you really be that excited about Barnes being on the team for one year?

If he's the type of player that also wants to go to school for a reason - learning - then he just may be a multi-year player. If that's the case, who knows where he's thinking.

Uh..Absolutely! It is a domino effect. You get a player of his caliber who happens to be one and done, it can do nothing but help your recruiting.

He wouldn't be one and done unless we had some level of success as he wouldn't be as high of a pick. Kansas, Duke, UNC, Memphis, etc all recruit one and done players every year and they do pretty well. No coach in the country has a problem with one and dones (minus Lute Olson now!!)

 

[iowast8fan]

None of you are really seeing the big picture of going to a top notch basketball school. Sure, a player can go to ISU and be an instant star, starter, and fan favorite. He will be playing daily against his inferior teammates and dominating them.

On the other hand, he can go to a basketball rich school like Kansas or NC, and sit for a year or two while the upperclassmen start. By doing this, he is playing against the best of the best every day in practice. He is making himself a better player by playing the best. When he actually starts in year 3 or year 2 if he is really good, he will be that much better of a player than he would be in year four at a school with mediocre players to practice againt.

This is what I mean by going to a basketball school for basketball. Don't get me wrong, I'd love HB to play for ISU as much as the next fan, but I can't say it would be my first choice if I was him.

 

[Tornado man]

None of you are really seeing the big picture of going to a top notch basketball school. Sure, a player can go to ISU and be an instant star, starter, and fan favorite. He will be playing daily against his inferior teammates and dominating them.

On the other hand, he can go to a basketball rich school like Kansas or NC, and sit for a year or two while the upperclassmen start. By doing this, he is playing against the best of the best every day in practice. He is making himself a better player by playing the best. When he actually starts in year 3 or year 2 if he is really good, he will be that much better of a player than he would be in year four at a school with mediocre players to practice againt.

This is what I mean by going to a basketball school for basketball. Don't get me wrong, I'd love HB to play for ISU as much as the next fan, but I can't say it would be my first choice if I was him.

So then I can assume if a 5-star Iowa high school football prospect had ISU and Oklahoma as his final two, you would advise him to pick the Sooners...

 

[iowast8fan]

Like I said, I want him togo to ISU, but if he was me and I was looking to be the best player I can be, I would go to a school filled with talent so I can learn from the best. And, if you don't think the recruiters are using this very same argument, then you are nuts.