Given what we're all assuming with Dekkers, who do you want to start at QB?

[Cyinthenorth]

Bouman and Dekkers were in the same recruiting class (2020) Once Dekkers won the job last year, the writing was on the wall for Bouman to move on. Lets say none of the gambling stuff happens. Bouman would have essentially been a second string quarterback for the rest of his college career, assuming Dekkers doesn't suck in his second year. At the time, Bouman transferring was the best for him if he wanted to play.

Hard to predict that the person in front of you is going to get suspended.

You are right in that it is hard to predict things like injuries, suspensions, the guy in front of you failing etc. It happens a lot though, and historically it happens a ton at ISU. Before Brock, the QB position was basically musical chairs dating back to Arnaud over 12 years ago now. These young guys have no concept of ISU's history, and no patience.

I'd have to look at the timeline, but Jared Barnett is a good example of a guy that didn't transfer out until it became clear the Sam Richardson, who was a couple years younger, was the future of the program, and at the time a somewhat highly touted by ISU standards Grant Rohach waiting in the wings. Bouman's situation was different. He was next man in if/when Hunter started to struggle, which he did plenty last season. We just didn't have anyone else on the roster anywhere close to being better suited for the job.

 

[Al_4_State]

In addition to the QB situation, our RBs are a big question mark if we don't have Jirehl Brock. Eli Sanders hasn't really shown much of anything besides some mop-up time against Iowa. Norton has a long injury history which makes me question if we can rely on him (injured a lot in HS, last season and again this spring). Hopefully the transfer from Stanford can be somewhat reliable.

It'll be interesting to see if Hanson and Sama end up getting any carries, or are they being viewed as position changes?

 

[jcyclonee]

There's also a difference between alternating QBs, and having a second QB who has a specific role in the offense. I think that saying applies more to the former, and we are talking more about the latter for this upcoming season.

Good point. It doesn't happen all the time but Florida won a championship having a second QB playing regularly in a specific role.

 

[Statefan10]

Good point. It doesn't happen all the time but Florida won a championship having a second QB playing regularly in a specific role.

To be fair, that 2nd QB went on to have arguably the best college football career in history lol

 

[mitchforcy]

To be fair, that 2nd QB went on to have arguably the best college football career in history lol

Tanner Hughes = Tim Tebow.

 

[jcyclonee]

To be fair, that 2nd QB went on to have arguably the best college football career in history lol

It was a pretty special 2nd QB.

 

[jcyclonee]

Tanner Hughes = Tim Tebow.

I don't see why not.

 

[MJ271]

I agree with the bolded. But whatever happened to trusting the process and being a good teammate? It is just the reality of the me-first, must have it now, self-serving attitude of todays youth I suppose. Unless Dekkers was just head and shoulders better than Bouman which I find hard to believe, I don't know why you wouldn't just bide your time and see how it goes for a year. If Dekkers took the job and ran with it, that's fine. THEN transfer and still have, what, 3 years of eligibility to play somewhere? There were a lot of outcomes Bouman could have wound up being QB1 here. Injuries and suspensions are hard to predict and bank on, yes, but Dekkers struggled at times last year. It might have been nice to have another warm body in the room to possibly spell him or replace him, or at the very least put pressure on him in practice.

All I'm getting at is that transferring once you've 'lost the job' is kind of short sighted, albeit very common place anymore in todays game.

I guess my view is that these guys have a very limited timeline for their football careers. When Bouman left Iowa State, he was looking at likely only having 3 years (maybe 4 with the covid year) left to play the sport that has been a huge part of his life. Especially at QB, where only one guy gets to be in the game at a time, I really can't blame anyone for looking elsewhere because they want to play. Plus, Dekkers had already gotten competitive snaps in Purdy's senior year, and he did pretty well, especially considering the situations he was often put into.

Suppose you enjoy your job, but the job you really want is the step ahead of you and someone else who is the same age and has been there for the same amount of time rightfully gets promoted to that position over you. The most likely way you would get promoted is if that other person clearly fails or has something else happen such that they can't do the job. I would venture to guess that you would start looking at other companies where you might get to do the job you really want, especially if you have any sort of deadline like college athletes have.

 

[Cyinthenorth]

I guess my view is that these guys have a very limited timeline for their football careers. When Bouman left Iowa State, he was looking at likely only having 3 years (maybe 4 with the covid year) left to play the sport that has been a huge part of his life. Especially at QB, where only one guy gets to be in the game at a time, I really can't blame anyone for looking elsewhere because they want to play. Plus, Dekkers had already gotten competitive snaps in Purdy's senior year, and he did pretty well, especially considering the situations he was often put into.

Suppose you enjoy your job, but the job you really want is the step ahead of you and someone else who is the same age and has been there for the same amount of time rightfully gets promoted to that position over you. The most likely way you would get promoted is if that other person clearly fails or has something else happen such that they can't do the job. I would venture to guess that you would start looking at other companies where you might get to do the job you really want, especially if you have any sort of deadline like college athletes have.

I suppose I can't argue any of that. Solid argument points. I guess the boomer in me just likes to see loyalty and sticktoitiveness that has been done away with in this era of college sports.

 

[mcblogerson]

I’d bet on Rocco starting the season. If the running game is good and Oline has improved Kohl sees the field too. Unless Dekkers is back after a few games.

 

[bigsag]

Particularly early in the season, coaches want to minimize turnovers. Consistency is often the result of the number of repetitions a player has performed. Tanner Hughes has easily taken the most (live action) snaps, going into Fall camp.

 

[NickTheGreat]

I have a feeling we'll still be "wondering about" the gambling stuff in November. Doesn't seem like there's much of a hurry to do anything any time soon

 

[mitchforcy]

I have a feeling we'll still be "wondering about" the gambling stuff in November. Doesn't seem like there's much of a hurry to do anything any time soon

Wondering about what? There's no way we still have zero answers regarding suspensions until November.

 

[Land Grant]

I agree with the bolded. But whatever happened to trusting the process and being a good teammate? It is just the reality of the me-first, must have it now, self-serving attitude of todays youth I suppose. Unless Dekkers was just head and shoulders better than Bouman which I find hard to believe, I don't know why you wouldn't just bide your time and see how it goes for a year. If Dekkers took the job and ran with it, that's fine. THEN transfer and still have, what, 3 years of eligibility to play somewhere? There were a lot of outcomes Bouman could have wound up being QB1 here. Injuries and suspensions are hard to predict and bank on, yes, but Dekkers struggled at times last year. It might have been nice to have another warm body in the room to possibly spell him or replace him, or at the very least put pressure on him in practice.

All I'm getting at is that transferring once you've 'lost the job' is kind of short sighted, albeit very common place anymore in todays game.

Don't give us this "today's youth" bile. Student athletes are working harder than ever and college sports is so much more professionalized now than in whatever glory days you're remembering. The transformation of collegee athletics into sports-business isn't the work of these kids. It was probably your generation.

 

[NickTheGreat]

Wondering about what? There's no way we still have zero answers regarding suspensions until November.

You're probably right. But it's like a month to go and we've heard nothing.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

Lol nobody owes a football team anything. They could cut him just as fast as he could leave. I don't blame Bouman for finding playing time.

 

[Statefan10]

Don't give us this "today's youth" bile. Student athletes are working harder than ever and college sports is so much more professionalized now than in whatever glory days you're remembering. The transformation of collegee athletics into sports-business isn't the work of these kids. It was probably your generation.

This a cut throat business we're talking about. This isn't high school athletics where you may be tied down to where you go to school so you have no choice. If you're not getting playing time and you're working extremely hard but it's just unlikely you'll break through, transferring and giving yourself a better shot seems like a phenomenal option. So far it seems like it's really worked out for him so good for him for making that tough decision.

 

[I-stateTheTruth]

I have zero real knowledge any of them but as I'm married to an Italian from Brooklyn, I have to go with Rocco.

 

[ripvdub]

Based on what i heard he did, if its true and it leaks out... i don't see how anyone would stick around.

Yup, sounds about right...

 

[CySmurf]

What are we all assuming with Dekkers? Did I miss something?