Four Day School Weeks

CycloneDaddy

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My two oldest kids (youngest is still in HS) had higher GPAs at ISU than they did in HS. A chunk of it, I believe, is caring. They knew they were getting into college and that HS was a formality. They took college much more serious than HS. Throw in that both wee 4 sport athletes that also worked during the summer, so there were times that they just took a hit on some schoolwork because by the time they got out of a game or meet, it was 11 when they got home and spending an hour on homework wasn't a care.

A question, did they have any study halls?
Most kids arrange their study hall for either 1st or last period so that they dont have to attend it.
 

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It probably is cynical. My childcare cost me about 90k/year when my wife quit her job 20 years ago.
Fair enough.

My wife also made the sacrifice to quit her career to stay at home with our kids. It was pretty much career ending because by the time the second one was old enough to start kindergarten the field had changed so much. She at least would have to get more schooling and start from square one. It didn't help that she was now in a new market and didn't have any market connections here.

I am so thankful that she did that and she is too. We see too many reports of kids getting poor care or even suffering abuse in day cares. We were lucky to be able to never have to worry about that.
 
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I work at a "flagship public state university" similar to ISU. There are barely any classes on Fridays anymore, and barely anyone around on Fridays (faculty, staff, students, nobody). Good luck if you need to meet in-person with some admin on a Friday, they're all "working" from home. I hear many similar things from colleagues at other institutions. It is just a matter of time until universities are formally closed on Fridays. Informally, many already are.

The reasons are somewhat similar to those described in this thread: students won't sign up for courses that meet on Fridays, and employees won't accept job offers that require them to work in-person more than maybe three days a week. In the Summer and Winter terms, every class we offer has to be online/asynchronous, students won't sign up for them elsewise. This was all coming on the horizon but COVID accelerated it.

I think we should just pull the bandaid and do it. Four-day week. Lengthen the academic year to compensate. Students don't need ~ four months of break between semesters.

Indiana does a year round with 12 weeks of breaks throughout (think it's actually 16?) and I'm not super opposed to the idea or a 4 day week really but it would need to be a total shift where workplaces also move to that model. Which there's a lot of research to support a 4 day week or 30/32 hr work week is more productive anyway but there's too many in charge who value control and keeping people buried in busy work to make the step change, at least at this point.
 

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Not exactly sure.
Most kids arrange their study hall for either 1st or last period so that they dont have to attend it.
The whole HS has open campus? My kids don't have a choice, study halls were totally abolished for them they have to take a full load. Hard part is when they take college classes, they have to find a way to work around those schedules so they usually have to do online and get it approved to be a class period they can go to the library and use headsets there.
 

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Not sure how giving useful feedback to kids in education is cavey, but okay.

Ha, it's not on you, it's the can of worms of grades, standards, what actually shows achievement, funding allocation etc.
 
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My two oldest kids (youngest is still in HS) had higher GPAs at ISU than they did in HS. A chunk of it, I believe, is caring. They knew they were getting into college and that HS was a formality. They took college much more serious than HS. Throw in that both wee 4 sport athletes that also worked during the summer, so there were times that they just took a hit on some schoolwork because by the time they got out of a game or meet, it was 11 when they got home and spending an hour on homework wasn't a care.

A question, did they have any study halls?
No.
 

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This is crazy. I have subbed in 5 different districts and each school in my opinion has too many study halls. They’ll have a regular study hall, then a “learning lab” which is basically a study hall and then a short “homeroom” session that is mostly used for homework.
 

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We had 5 long days a week.
We walked uphill, both ways, to get to school.
The teacher had and used a big wooden paddle,
We had to do chores before and after school.
Oh, and we had homework.
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In a past life I worked Tuesday-Saturday.

Holy cow is Monday the best day to have off for errands, rec activities etc to avoid crowds.
I miss having a 9/80 schedule for that reason. Schedule appts etc on those days.
 

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Indiana does a year round with 12 weeks of breaks throughout (think it's actually 16?) and I'm not super opposed to the idea or a 4 day week really but it would need to be a total shift where workplaces also move to that model. Which there's a lot of research to support a 4 day week or 30/32 hr work week is more productive anyway but there's too many in charge who value control and keeping people buried in busy work to make the step change, at least at this point.
Definitely not where business is hoping to head. Some rich guy we're supposed to belive just said 60 is the place to be!
 
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I think that's putting a bit of a sinister angle on it. They have to work. Childcare is rough, especially part time.
The school I work at didn't really dig too deep into but did float the idea around to staff and families. Child care was the biggest concern from families. Makes total sense, I didn't work for a year and half bc we simply didn't have options in our area and the ones that were available, were very expensive, especially for 4 kids. 2/3 of my salary was going to go to daycare anyway so we weren't in much of a different situation w/o my check coming in. Getting two kids in school got it to a point that it financially made sense for me to go back to work.

Not only is it expensive, we are in a rural area so there aren't enough options. There just wouldn't be enough spots available that could handle the extra 100+ kids that would need day care those days. Parents would have to adjust their schedules.
 
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Fair enough.

My wife also made the sacrifice to quit her career to stay at home with our kids. It was pretty much career ending because by the time the second one was old enough to start kindergarten the field had changed so much. She at least would have to get more schooling and start from square one. It didn't help that she was now in a new market and didn't have any market connections here.

I am so thankful that she did that and she is too. We see too many reports of kids getting poor care or even suffering abuse in day cares. We were lucky to be able to never have to worry about that.
Very well articulated.
 

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A friend of mine in high school only went out for track even though he was a good athlete. The track coach knew he would run on his own time because he had a job after school. He ran after work and on weekends. Best half miler we had.
 

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My kids technically had study hall on the days they didn’t have PE, but not really. Used it to do online AP work, band lessons, and oldest tutored kids in math during his at the request of the school counselor.
 
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Fair enough.

My wife also made the sacrifice to quit her career to stay at home with our kids. It was pretty much career ending because by the time the second one was old enough to start kindergarten the field had changed so much. She at least would have to get more schooling and start from square one. It didn't help that she was now in a new market and didn't have any market connections here.

I am so thankful that she did that and she is too. We see too many reports of kids getting poor care or even suffering abuse in day cares. We were lucky to be able to never have to worry about that.
I was similar. I at least used my grad degree ten years before I stayed home between caring for my dying parents and at that time, the cost of three in daycare. Our daycare was great but given that we had two more kids after that, it would have been pretty steep.
 
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You would think but my son (Johnston Grad) has a 3.8 at ISU and I dont think he ever had homework in HS.

Jumping in the Wayback machine here.

If memory serves high school was something like 8 to 3:15. 7 hours-ish for just class.

Then sports practice from 3:30 to 5-ish. (This seems low, but I'll go with it)

Games routinely had over an hour drive each way with pretty late nights

That's 8 1/2 hours on the light side. Throw in a day when we didn't get home until 11 and we're easily over a 40 hour week.

Now mix in homework and we're looking at 50 hour weeks. That's if we didn't have a PT job on the side.

I'm pretty OK with letting kids be kids and not throwing 70 hours plus into their schedule
 

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Not exactly sure.
The school I work at didn't really dig too deep into but did float the idea around to staff and families. Child care was the biggest concern from families. Makes total sense, I didn't work for a year and half bc we simply didn't have options in our area and the ones that were available, were very expensive, especially for 4 kids. 2/3 of my salary was going to go to daycare anyway so we weren't in much of a different situation w/o my check coming in. Getting two kids in school got it to a point that it financially made sense for me to go back to work.

Not only is it expensive, we are in a rural area so there aren't enough options. There just wouldn't be enough spots available that could handle the extra 100+ kids that would need day care those days. Parents would have to adjust their schedules.
when your kids are out of HS, you will look back and smile and say I wouldn’t trade those days with my kids for any material thing I may have been able to get if I had a job.

While the first couple months are important. It’s those years from 2-5 where the kids learn how to learn and a lot of their personalities and traits are developed that will carry them forever.
 
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A friend of mine in high school only went out for track even though he was a good athlete. The track coach knew he would run on his own time because he had a job after school. He ran after work and on weekends. Best half miler we had.
Smart coach.
 

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The school I work at didn't really dig too deep into but did float the idea around to staff and families. Child care was the biggest concern from families. Makes total sense, I didn't work for a year and half bc we simply didn't have options in our area and the ones that were available, were very expensive, especially for 4 kids. 2/3 of my salary was going to go to daycare anyway so we weren't in much of a different situation w/o my check coming in. Getting two kids in school got it to a point that it financially made sense for me to go back to work.

Not only is it expensive, we are in a rural area so there aren't enough options. There just wouldn't be enough spots available that could handle the extra 100+ kids that would need day care those days. Parents would have to adjust their schedules.

I think they could expand whatever after-school programs a lot of these schools have in place. In Johnston, ours is called KTC (Kids-Teen Connection), & is primarily staffed by high schoolers. It's open before/after school, non-school days during the year (in-service/etc), as well as summer. Shouldn't be too difficult to keep that going for that 5th weekday if you were to go to a 4-day schedule. It'd be an extra ~$100-150/month for those that need it - not ideal, but not necessarily the end of the world, either. Not suggesting that would work for every district & every student, but it'd help for most.

As others have mentioned, it'd be a lot easier if corporate America adjusted to a 4-day work week, too.
 

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