Feeling a little duped right now
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Maybe we just do not recruit as well as some staffs in the B12 (see rankings). We have to talk the recruits into future hope. Maybe we need to hire an OC who can also recruit.
So you want us or the coaching staff to apologize that you talked yourself into, or allowed yourself to be talked into, the idea that ISU would win 6 games this year?
The coaches did say many times in the preseason that this team was faster and more athletic than previous teams. But they also said CONTINUOUSLY that they are young, inexperienced and only have potential (the dirtiest word in sports).
Wimberly has looked good when healthy, as has Sam. Only Sam played even part of the game yesterday. Grant looked much better yesterday that he did at Baylor but still doesn't make good decisions all the time because he's a RSFresh. Physically he looks to have plenty of ability. Bundrage is looking to be very good and Bibbs is coming on as well. Jarvis must have gotten dinged yesterday as he wasn't out for returns and I didn't see him at WR as the game went on.
The oline is a trainwreck due largely to injuries, but we also just aren't great up front. Remember this year we are trying something new, by having tackles and guards change sides depending on the strength of the formation. Combine that with guys playing two positions and playing next to somebody different each game/drive and it's no wonder they're having issues.
The coaches did say many times in the preseason that this team was faster and more athletic than previous teams. But they also said CONTINUOUSLY that they are young, inexperienced and only have potential (the dirtiest word in sports).
Wimberly has looked good when healthy, as has Sam. Only Sam played even part of the game yesterday. Grant looked much better yesterday that he did at Baylor but still doesn't make good decisions all the time because he's a RSFresh. Physically he looks to have plenty of ability. Bundrage is looking to be very good and Bibbs is coming on as well. Jarvis must have gotten dinged yesterday as he wasn't out for returns and I didn't see him at WR as the game went on.
The oline is a trainwreck due largely to injuries, but we also just aren't great up front. Remember this year we are trying something new, by having tackles and guards change sides depending on the strength of the formation. Combine that with guys playing two positions and playing next to somebody different each game/drive and it's no wonder they're having issues.
I started a thread on tempered expectations. My head told me it was a 4-win or 5-win year, and my heart hoped for 6 wins. We've lost a few close ones and had one stolen from us, and unprecedented injuries and suspect coaching and preparation have us sitting with 1-win. At Iowa State, I expect to have a rebuilding year once every three or four years. I had foolishly thought that this regime had built a solid foundation and was beyond 1 or 2 win seasons. But whatever this is, in reality, has many cracks and fissures; you could argue it's crumbling before our eyes.
We haven't been coached well on the offensive side of the ball for some time, but we've been able to make up for it in other ways. Last year, we had enough talent for 7-8 wins, but we didn't get it done, mainly due to a QB carousel and general ineptness on offense. We keep waiting for this regime to get it figured out on offense, and it may ultimately bring it down. I'm back to being in a position of skeptic at this point. That's sad. I believed all the 'rah-rah' hype, so I tip my hat to the marketing department. I think we'll be better next year, but I won't know by how much until I see what changes are coming to the staff. I know what I would do, but we'll see what Rhoads does.
I would say that I'm shocked that you missed the point, but that would not be true.
At a school with as many disadvantages recruitingwise as Iowa State, it's going to be a tough sell regardless. But when we were going to go to the mountain west, or worse, rather than be in a BCS conference, you make a hard job even tougher.
Of course, that doesn't fit a narrative driven by a small group of people here, and hawk trolls, so objectivity is out the window.
Speaking of feeling duped, i bought into that whole "new strength and conditioning" program and treadmill thing that was reported this past summer. I thought this would give us an advatage and help level the playing field. Boy was i wrong. We seem weaker and more frail than ever.
Wanderer said something to the effect of the game is still too fast for some of our younger players. I think that may be a part of your answer. They are still thinking out there instead of reacting.
And we'd only had the treadmills for a couple months prior to this season. This new tech should start to pay off NEXT season once guys have been on them for over a year.
My grandma used to use a treadmill, she saw benefits pretty much right away.
People may not like to hear about the injuries but that doesn't mean they don't exist. If people think Iowa State, with a young team, is the type of program that can just absorb these guys getting hurt and move on... Well I'm sorry you are wrong,
CPR has duped us all. Not intentionally but due to his passion for the game, the players & the fans. He just can't live up to those aspirations with the lack of depth here at ISU. It would take a generation of good fortune to build depth here. He can get players that can compete to start but you are never going to get another player of that calibur to sit around & be a back up at a school that is .500 on a good year.
I am specifically thinking about talking recruits into future hope for next season. A dependable qb would have helped.
demoncore1031
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I disagree with this post. The speed and athleticism are there. The mental mistakes are killing us. Penalties, turnover margin, dropped passes etc. The D should have about 10 INTs this year, but they only have 3.
This! I've been saying for a while now that those two realignment years killed us. We are all seeing it today. It amazes me that this isn't talked about more often. ISU had two straight years, years that we should have been building momentum on the recruiting trail, that were filled with every rival and opposition coach/team telling the recruits we were going after that ISU wasn't even going to be in a BCS conference...for TWO YEARS in a row! And people wonder were all the juniors and seniors are...they are on other teams. Not ISU's because we had no shot at them during realignment talk.
Something funny I heard on the day it was announced that CPR was hired. "I don't know how good of head coach he will be but I've never seen a coach that likes to be in front of the camera more than CPR". This type of personality works great when you have a great OC and DC and are winning. When you start losing it gets to be a bit played out.
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I agree with the OP a little. During the offseason, it was all about how this was the most athletic team CPR has had and and how ISU had finally gone into a season with no QB controversy. It was going to be a year where the D took a step back, but the O was going to carry it and ISU was going to end up in some shootouts. And now it's "Everyone knew this was going to be a down/rebuilding year". Heck, I didn't know. I figured 5-7. But watching this team get dominated by UNI should have shown everyone that this team would be lucky to win 1 game. And they were. I expected a step back, I didn't expect 71-7. I guess that coaches have to spin a little during the summer circuit just to sell tickets, but this was a pretty big lie. IS this team athletic? I don't know that you take Knott and Klein off a D and become more athletic.
To me, this is the worst case scenerio and it's kind of snowballing on them. They're going to need to hold on and hope to keep their commits. But after the season, CPR is going to really have to sit down and evaluate what went wrong here. Recruiting strategy, coaching strategy, development. I'd look at paying a consultant (maybe an ex-coach) to come in and evaluate every aspect of the program and see what nees fixed. I'm guessing it starts with finding a true offensive philosophy that eveyone is on board with.
To me, this is the worst case scenerio and it's kind of snowballing on them. They're going to need to hold on and hope to keep their commits. But after the season, CPR is going to really have to sit down and evaluate what went wrong here. Recruiting strategy, coaching strategy, development. I'd look at paying a consultant (maybe an ex-coach) to come in and evaluate every aspect of the program and see what nees fixed. I'm guessing it starts with finding a true offensive philosophy that eveyone is on board with.
I see the same thing. This is the sloppiest team play in years yet and it is allowing the scores to get out of hand. A prime example was the last Baylor score. Just pooch the ball at the end of the game....hey, think ahead and plan well.....do not give up a kickoff return for a TD at the end of the game....
While this season has been disappointing so far I would say last year was worse. We had a team that should have won 9 games and they went 6-7. This team looks like it has talent, they just aren't making plays. Missed tackles, penalties, blown assignments, taking bad angles, dropped passes, bad reads, missing open WRs. If you can think of a mental mistake in football we have done it this year, numerous times. These things are fixable and it is up to the coaches and players to make it happen going forward.
