Fauci and the near future of sporting contests

[Cyclonepride]

The country that's currently at a 10% death rate for confirmed cases?

We don't know if states have gone overboard....also how do you have some states able to do something like college athletics if others can't? Too bad, so sad?

They are almost certain to have far more unconfirmed cases (as a percentage of population) than other countries that are forcibly isolating, and there's no logical reason to assume that they will end with a higher death rate than other countries, since their hospitals have not been overwhelmed.

You make a good point about athletics though. It's going to be hard to open without certain regions, and some of the process of opening up is going to be based on regional perceptions of risk.

 

[HFCS]

I think some states have gone way overboard (some have not). I guess it depends on how quickly they lift a lot of the restrictions. I'm also curious how Sweden ends up, as they've left almost everything to voluntary cooperation, and their stats are very similar to the experience of everyone else.

I'm going to frame this post on my wall of Pride wanting to copy the Swedish government. ;-)

 

[WhoISthis]

I'm going to frame this post on my wall of Pride wanting to copy the Swedish government. ;-)

Desperate times force people to think the grass is greener.

 

[cycloneG]

They are almost certain to have far more unconfirmed cases (as a percentage of population) than other countries that are forcibly isolating, and there's no logical reason to assume that they will end with a higher death rate than other countries, since their hospitals have not been overwhelmed.

You make a good point about athletics though. It's going to be hard to open without certain regions, and some of the process of opening up is going to be based on regional perceptions of risk.

Again, you're assuming nothing changes over the next few months. Simply allowing your populace to die because you think it's going to happen anyway is psychotic.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Again, you're assuming nothing changes over the next few months. Simply allowing your populace to die because you think it's going to happen anyway is psychotic.

Simply allowing people to make informed decisions (as free people are wont to do) does not equate to allowing your populace to die.

 

[madguy30]

They are almost certain to have far more unconfirmed cases (as a percentage of population) than other countries that are forcibly isolating, and there's no logical reason to assume that they will end with a higher death rate than other countries, since their hospitals have not been overwhelmed.

You make a good point about athletics though. It's going to be hard to open without certain regions, and some of the process of opening up is going to be based on regional perceptions of risk.

Yeah and I think as a whole, way more people have had it without knowing, and do have it currently (which is the hardest part). I thought they were doing some test here in the US that was going to get a bead on % of who's had it vs. what's confirmed. Still need to know what sort of immunity there is.

RE: athletics, even regionally in a state like Iowa: won't some towns or cities have more clusters than other spots, making having a high school sports season more difficult? Not arguing, just thoughts on it.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Yeah and I think as a whole, way more people have had it without knowing, and do have it currently (which is the hardest part). I thought they were doing some test here in the US that was going to get a bead on % of who's had it vs. what's confirmed. Still need to know what sort of immunity there is.

RE: athletics, even regionally in a state like Iowa: won't some towns or cities have more clusters than other spots, making having a high school sports season more difficult? Not arguing, just thoughts on it.

I'm pretty sure they're just starting to roll out testing that can identify both whether you have it or have had it. Getting that into wide use seems to be the critical step, IMO.

 

[cycloneG]

Simply allowing people to make informed decisions (as free people are wont to do) does not equate to allowing your populace to die.

Are they making informed decisions? Information about this virus is still incomplete.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Are they making informed decisions? Information about this virus is still incomplete.

From a prevention standpoint, I don't think it's going to get much more complex than keep your distance, wash your hands, and wear a mask.

 

[madguy30]

I'm pretty sure they're just starting to roll out testing that can identify both whether you have it or have had it. Getting that into wide use seems to be the critical step, IMO.

Yeah my concern is if it's a home test? Has kind of a 3rd rate/unreliable sort of feeling. Ideally it turns into something where you can get in, get the test, get results soonish.

I'm wishfully thinking and likely way off on this but with universities or sports organizations losing money, do we see a reprioritization of where money goes to or if it gets spent the same way?

Are we still going to blindly assume someone is worth hundreds of millions of dollars because they play a sport?

 

[Cyclonepride]

Yeah my concern is if it's a home test? Has kind of a 3rd rate/unreliable sort of feeling. Ideally it turns into something where you can get in, get the test, get results soonish.

I'm wishfully thinking and likely way off on this but with universities or sports organizations losing money, do we see a reprioritization of where money goes to or if it gets spent the same way?

Are we still going to blindly assume someone is worth hundreds of millions of dollars because they play a sport?

I don't think the FDA is allowing home testing at this point. Seems like a mistake for completely forbid them, as it limits that amount of people who can be tested quickly, but reliability of result is important. Hopefully some of those can be proven effective enough soon.

 

[cycloneG]

From a prevention standpoint, I don't think it's going to get much more complex than keep your distance, wash your hands, and wear a mask.

And if people don't do that?

 

[Cy$]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si...-positive-coronavirus-first-active-nfl-player

 

[Cyclonepride]

I'd add that a fairly widespread, random testing regime would help more than anything. Right now, we're testing people who are highly likely, which corrupts the data, and makes you unable to extrapolate. With widespread random testing, you can get a very good picture of the whole population pretty quickly.

 

[Cyclonepride]

And if people don't do that?

Then they might get sick. Individual responsibility and all that.

 

[cycloneG]

Then they might get sick. Individual responsibility and all that.

Which they then bring home to their family. Sorry, kids, I made a bad choice. Now you suffer. My bad.

 

[WhoISthis]

Which they then bring home to their family. Sorry, kids, I made a bad choice. Now you suffer. My bad.

Sorry otherwise routine medical procedures, you suffer. My bad.

CyclonePride is why society can’t be trusted to handle public goods like clean air, pollution control, public health, etc. He IS the case for the need for a strong, overbearing government.

I appreciate the attempt to look at different solutions, and total societal costs, but public goods need regulatory protection imo

 

[yowza]

Dr. A. Fauci feels that non-spectator competitions can start this summer. Weekly testing and isolation of competitors would be required.

https://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/i...i-promotes-single-site-fan-free-return-sports

Mike Trout says MLB is crazy. Don't want to play and then stay stuck in hotels for weeks on end. Isolated from family.

 

[yowza]

I don't watch a whole lot of sports in summer anyways unless the Twins are on, but I'll definitely tune in to watching two broomsticks wrestle at this point.

Golf back in maybe a month. Plan to start back with no spectators.

 

[madguy30]

Then they might get sick. Individual responsibility and all that.

My concern--do people think because they feel fine that they're in the clear and visit vulnerable family or friends? That's already happening now after months of widespread knowledge that symptoms don't have to be present.

I don't think of that as being responsible.