Expansion
- Thread starter ZachRyan22
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You are missing what matters in BIG 12 tv formula....it isn't about household it is about ratings. Let's face it as much as School presidents like to say conferences are about more than athletics that is just lip service any more. It is all about the tv money
It seems the obvious solution is to pick the two worst teams in the country and roll with the extra wins on the schedule. Works for the Big Ten
I say add BYU as a football only, partial member, where BYU would play seven conference games (3 home, 3 away, 1 neutral) and allow it into the conference championship game and potential playoffs for minimal payment. BYU would retain its tv rights for its home football games. Pay them an appropriate amount for its neutral game. Allow them to keep any of its bowl revenue. Do not add them for the other sports so there is no Sunday issue and reduces the travel costs for the non-revenue sports.
Add a second team for WV as a full member but with a long-term buy-in. I would suggest they consider Navy or Army since they are/will be football independents. The military academies are not concerned with paying the full cost of attendance, so their financial needs should be less.
Add a second team for WV as a full member but with a long-term buy-in. I would suggest they consider Navy or Army since they are/will be football independents. The military academies are not concerned with paying the full cost of attendance, so their financial needs should be less.
The Big 12 has already added Iowa State and KU for exactly that. Didn't do the big 12 much good
If we had added Louisville for 11 when they were begging to join, and BYU as football only...would have been about as perfect as things could be without an ACC team jumping ship.
ACC is screwed just as bad as we are. If any of their other teams had FSU's resume they'd have been skipped in favor of Ohio State too, even undefeated but DEFINITELY with one loss regardless of how good a loss it was.
This is what the B12 gets for being timid, passive and reactionary. The penalty for not having a real leader when all of this went down the first time. We needed a strong voice when Nebraska and A&M were thinking of leavings. Instead we had Dan Bumblehead.
The truth is that the B12 was penalized, not for having no champ game but because our two best teams were not name teams. Had this been OU and UT, we would have had one in. Plain and simple.
Go east, not west. Get someone near WVU or else they may think of leaving. Need solidarity.
The truth is that the B12 was penalized, not for having no champ game but because our two best teams were not name teams. Had this been OU and UT, we would have had one in. Plain and simple.
Go east, not west. Get someone near WVU or else they may think of leaving. Need solidarity.
While I agree with adding someone near WVU, the idea of them leaving is ludicrous. Where are they going to go? The Big 10, ACC, and SEC don't want them, and the AAC is not better than the Big 12. WVU has made its bed and, excluding extreme circumstances, it's not going to get better for them.
There is something to be said that the entire western half of the country only has 12 P5 programs. There's a reason MWC or old WAC teams have and will keep jumping up and competing with the big boys as opposed to MAC, CUSA and Sun Belt programs.
It would be interesting to see how the B1G reacts to another possible Big12 team in their "home" state. They may pay Cinny some hush money to stay out of a P5 conference. LOL
Facts about possible expansion candidates:
Memphis
City pop: 653,000, biggest city in TN, third-largest in the Southeastern US
Student pop: 22,000
Cincinnatti
Pop: 235,000
Student pop: 44,000
Central Florida
Pop: 240,000
Student pop: 61,000
South Florida
Pop: 346,000
Student pop: 48,000
BYU
Pop: 526,000
Student pop: 34,000
Memphis
City pop: 653,000, biggest city in TN, third-largest in the Southeastern US
Student pop: 22,000
Cincinnatti
Pop: 235,000
Student pop: 44,000
Central Florida
Pop: 240,000
Student pop: 61,000
South Florida
Pop: 346,000
Student pop: 48,000
BYU
Pop: 526,000
Student pop: 34,000
This is why i'd go with them. Every single year they are adding 2x the new alumni to their potential fanbase than BYU or Memphis.
Not sure what ND's agreement with ACC looks like but I'm guessing this hand to the face of the Big XII for not having a conf championship game has to have ND and BYU at least thinking this could come into play for them and not in a good way at some time in the future. I don't see ND getting to the final 4 without being in a conference without going undefeated and that would be a BIG stretch for them to do that.
ND and BYU joining the Big XII for football would make the most sense for all involved whether they are willing to admit it or not. I really think the decision making of the committee will make a lot of people think hard about their futures.
As far as USF, UCF, Memphis, Cincy.... I'd rather have those just from the aspect of it helps IA St from a recruiting and SOS perspective. ND and BYU are losses in most years for ISU.
ND and BYU joining the Big XII for football would make the most sense for all involved whether they are willing to admit it or not. I really think the decision making of the committee will make a lot of people think hard about their futures.
As far as USF, UCF, Memphis, Cincy.... I'd rather have those just from the aspect of it helps IA St from a recruiting and SOS perspective. ND and BYU are losses in most years for ISU.
Agree on much of that, but UCF or USF would become football monsters with major conference backing in no time. Better than any "North division" team by year 2.
One thing for sure...if the Big 12 does nothing and this sort of depression happens year after year, at the end of the GOR, this conference will not exist.
And Iowa State can welcome its new Mountain West Overlords...
And Iowa State can welcome its new Mountain West Overlords...
Thats massively misleading though. Not that this correct info makes a difference either way but the central city population isnt really the point. I didnt even look up the other 2 but Cinci metro is larger than Memphis
