Does Boise State Deserve Title Shot?

CYphyllis

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What if it comes down to a 1 loss team and Boise and the 1 loss team is Va Tech? If Va Tech were to get in the championship game over Boise St, how wrong would that be?

Wouldn't be. Va Tech plays in the ACC against much better competition every single week. They would deserve the bid much, much more then the team coming off that thrilling victory over Idaho late in the season.
 

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Wouldn't be. Va Tech plays in the ACC against much better competition every single week. They would deserve the bid much, much more then the team coming off that thrilling victory over Idaho late in the season.

You don't do much research before you speak out of your arse, do you? Because I'm sure that victory over an 83rd ranked Virginia (in the CBS 120 as of this week, and likely to drop) is going to be extremely exhilarating... :nah:
 

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There is no way in hell Illinois or Indiana, and perhaps Minnesota would be favored over Fresno St, Nevada, or Idaho. Purdue likely would not be favored over Fresno St or Nevada.

Every one of those teams would be favored over Idaho, and if the B10 team was at home all those teams could easily be favored over Nevada.
 

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Wouldn't be. Va Tech plays in the ACC against much better competition every single week. They would deserve the bid much, much more then the team coming off that thrilling victory over Idaho late in the season.

I completely disagree. Va Tech has zero chance of passing an undefeated Boise St.
 

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Every one of those teams would be favored over Idaho, and if the B10 team was at home all those teams could easily be favored over Nevada.

You don't do much research either, do you?

Nevada is rated #40 and Idaho is rated #65 in the CBS 120. Indiana is rated #84 and Illinois #87. Nevada and Idaho would most certainly be favored.
 

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Well TV would love Boise State in the national title game....

ESPN’s Labor Day (Monday, Sept. 6) prime-time telecast of Boise State defeating Virginia Tech 33-30 averaged 7,252,000 households, making it the network’s most-viewed college football game – covering regular-season and bowl games – in households. With 9,888,000 viewers (people 2+), the telecast ranks as the second most-viewed college football game among total viewers (trailing only ESPN’s coverage of USC at Ohio State in 2009 which averaged 10,586,000 viewers). The Labor Day matchup averaged a 7.3 rating (equaling the average for USC at Ohio State) and stands as the highest rating for a college football game in 16 years (Florida State at Miami averaged a 7.7 on October 8, 1994).
 

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Well TV would love Boise State in the national title game....

ESPN’s Labor Day (Monday, Sept. 6) prime-time telecast of Boise State defeating Virginia Tech 33-30 averaged 7,252,000 households, making it the network’s most-viewed college football game – covering regular-season and bowl games – in households. With 9,888,000 viewers (people 2+), the telecast ranks as the second most-viewed college football game among total viewers (trailing only ESPN’s coverage of USC at Ohio State in 2009 which averaged 10,586,000 viewers). The Labor Day matchup averaged a 7.3 rating (equaling the average for USC at Ohio State) and stands as the highest rating for a college football game in 16 years (Florida State at Miami averaged a 7.7 on October 8, 1994).

I bet they were all VT fans :jimlad:
 

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Really? Because Wisconsin and OSU are both 1-0 (for Iowa).

And no, I think it's very unlikely that a team can get to the championship game without playing another team that won 10 games. Has it happened before?

Yes what an atrocity that would be if a team that played in such a weak conference that it never even faced a 10 win team all season EVER got into the NC. GOD FORBID!!!!


2007 Ohio State Buckeye's Schedule

Youngstown St. (FCS) - 7-4
Akron - 4-8
Washington - 4-9
Northwestern - 6-6
Minnesota - 1-11
Purdue - 7-5 (8-5 after Bowl win)
Kent State - 3-9
Michigan State - 7-5 (7-6 after bowl loss)
Pent State - 8-4 (9-4 after bowl win)
Wisconsin - 9-3 (9-4 after bowl loss)
Illinois - 9-3 (9-4 after bowl loss)
Michigan - 8-4 (9-4 after bowl win)

No wonder they got pimp-smacked by LSU 38-24 in the NC game
 
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I completely disagree. Va Tech has zero chance of passing an undefeated Boise St.
They have a chance but it would be wrong. If they beat Ga Tech and Miami and win the ACC championship game they may leap frog Boise.
 

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You don't do much research either, do you?

Nevada is rated #40 and Idaho is rated #65 in the CBS 120. Indiana is rated #84 and Illinois #87. Nevada and Idaho would most certainly be favored.

So I've went and done as much research as you have now. I looked at one poll. CFN has Idaho ranked 89th and Indiana 70th and Illinois 64th. Illinois and Indiana would easily be favored.
 

CYphyllis

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You don't do much research before you speak out of your arse, do you? Because I'm sure that victory over an 83rd ranked Virginia (in the CBS 120 as of this week, and likely to drop) is going to be extremely exhilarating... :nah:

But I also feel that wins over Miami, FSU, NC, BC, etc would be worth a whole lot more then wins over Fresno State and New Mexico State.
 

CYphyllis

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Well TV would love Boise State in the national title game....

ESPN’s Labor Day (Monday, Sept. 6) prime-time telecast of Boise State defeating Virginia Tech 33-30 averaged 7,252,000 households, making it the network’s most-viewed college football game – covering regular-season and bowl games – in households. With 9,888,000 viewers (people 2+), the telecast ranks as the second most-viewed college football game among total viewers (trailing only ESPN’s coverage of USC at Ohio State in 2009 which averaged 10,586,000 viewers). The Labor Day matchup averaged a 7.3 rating (equaling the average for USC at Ohio State) and stands as the highest rating for a college football game in 16 years (Florida State at Miami averaged a 7.7 on October 8, 1994).

Does it help that it was the only game on television, in a primetime slot on Monday night, the week before Monday Night Football started?
 

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Does it help that it was the only game on television, in a primetime slot on Monday night, the week before Monday Night Football started?

I didn't quote it, but it also compared to previous labor day games in the MNF slot. Not even close comparison.

By any metric the game dominated...even bowl games
 

CYphyllis

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I completely disagree. Va Tech has zero chance of passing an undefeated Boise St.

I agree that it would be nearly impossible for them to pass them, but I think it would be unfair to Va Tech in that situation. How do you award a team that plays the bottom of the barrel in competition over a team that plays high end competition each week in much more difficult environments? I highly doubt there is anyone in the WAC that can put on the type of pressure as there is playing @Miami or @FSU.
 

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I didn't quote it, but it also compared to previous labor day games in the MNF slot. Not even close comparison.

By any metric the game dominated...even bowl games


"It was the highest rated Labor Day night game since 1990, according to ESPN spokesman Mike Humes."
 

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I agree that it would be nearly impossible for them to pass them, but I think it would be unfair to Va Tech in that situation. How do you award a team that plays the bottom of the barrel in competition over a team that plays high end competition each week in much more difficult environments? I highly doubt there is anyone in the WAC that can put on the type of pressure as there is playing @Miami or @FSU.

Because Boise St should be rewarded for beating that very team in head-to-head matchup in a virtual home environment for that team.

See, I don't see it as unfair to VT if they aren't able to jump Boise St if Boise St ends up being the lone loss on their schedule and Boise is undefeated. They had their opportunity to beat them and lost to them. As far as I'm concerned head-to-head matchups are more meaningful than trying to decide who played the more difficult schedule.

Yes, okay. Boise St had all summer to prepare for Virginia Tech. So why wasn't VT preparing for Boise all summer if all the best teams supposedly focus on only one week at a time?
 
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YES, enough said! I don't buy into the whole strength of schedule idea and how Boise State couldn't make it in the SEC, Big-12, etc... The answer is that they beat Oklahoma, TCU, Virginia Tech, Oregon, etc... and haven't lost since the 2008-2009 season. That is better than any other program out there right now.

So, lets face it, with 20 returning starters from a undefeated team last year, they could easily go undefeated again and if they don't play for the NC with another undefeated season, I'll be upset b/c I think they deserve to play and see what happens.
 
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YES, enough said! I don't buy into the whole strength of schedule idea and how Boise State couldn't make it in the SEC, Big-12, etc... The answer is that they beat Oklahoma, TCU, Virginia Tech, Oregon, etc... and haven't lost since the 2008-2009 season. That is better than any other program out there right now.

So, lets face it, with 20 returning starters from a undefeated team last year, they could easily go undefeated again and if they don't play for the NC with another undefeated season, I'll be upset b/c I think they deserve to play and see what happens.

Why do wins from four years ago matter? And Alabama beat Virginia Tech, Florida, LSU, and Texas all in one year last year. That's much more impressive and it's one season, not over five seasons.
 

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I don't think this gets mentioned nearly enough. Let's take Ohio St, for example. Their "tough schedule" is Miami, Wisconsin, Penn St, and Iowa. Okay, that's two more difficult opponents than Boise St plays all year, but is someone really going to argue that Marshall, Ohio, E Michigan, Illinois, Indiana, Purdue, Minnesota, and Michigan is all that much more difficult than Boise St's schedule?

I think the big difference in the confernces, besides talent, is the phycial nature of the games. Using the big 10 as an example as you did, that conf is just going to be alot more physical than Boise State's conference. Even when you are playing the "lower" Big Ten teams. So you have a MUCH bigger injury factor when you are playing a BCS schedule.
And yes, if you throw out Boise State's two "hard" games and the two hardest games a BCS team would play, the BCS schedule is still going to be a lot harder than Boise State's schedule.
Iowa State is considered a "lower tier" BCS team. Iowa State vs Wyoming??? Think about it.
 

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YES, enough said! I don't buy into the whole strength of schedule idea and how Boise State couldn't make it in the SEC, Big-12, etc... The answer is that they beat Oklahoma, TCU, Virginia Tech, Oregon, etc... and haven't lost since the 2008-2009 season. That is better than any other program out there right now.

So, lets face it, with 20 returning starters from a undefeated team last year, they could easily go undefeated again and if they don't play for the NC with another undefeated season, I'll be upset b/c I think they deserve to play and see what happens.

I'm not buying that they should get a chance because they have beat BCS teams over several years. Each year is a different team with different athletes, starters, etc. Boise's performance against Oklahoma four or five years ago has nothing to do with their team this year. We can only judge their merit on their body of work this year, and their schedule this year is not strong enough to support them getting a chance to play in the title game.