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cyclonenum1

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You know I usually agree with your opinions, but the only reason logically for making such a big deal about the decision is that you are picking the local team. If going elsewhere, especially signing with one of the most hated figures in ISU fandom, you don't go all Hollywood, and you especially do not put Roy ******* Williams up on a huge screen over Skype.

That was beyond tasteless. It is my firm belief that ISU has been out of the running for quite a while, especially since that article or interview where he had to add ISU to his list of 5. It seems hb was just continuing to string ISU along for the perks, and in the end he appears to have used Cyclone fans as simple props to help fill audience spots for ESPN. Maybe he didn't know how this would appear, but somebody close to him or around him had to, and they still went ahead and did it anyway.

As an ISU alum and Cyclone fan, I took Friday as a personal insult to me, the university, other fans, and especially Greg McDermott. People may question his coaching and recruiting at times, but nobody can question that man's character. He is one of the finest people working for ISU and remains a good and decent man in what has become a very ruthless and dishonorable profession.

I think what you are missing is that nearly all of the top recruits these days are involved in some sort of spectacle when they sign. This press conference was really no different than many others that happened across the US last week and have been happening for a number of years now. It is just standard operating procedure now.

This has been driven by networks such as ESPN because it gives them more programming for which there is clearly an appetite. And make no mistake, most of these kids absolutely love the attention and love getting face time on TV. Of course, this is not unique to athletic kids in their teens...have you heard of reality TV? Have you seen the throng of people trying to get on TV behind the College Gameday set on ESPN every Saturday morning?

The only difference with this press conference was that the athlete signing happened to be in the same small town (that, let's face it, just does not have that much going on in it) as one of the universities he had on his short list of options. The public gets "invited" (the announcement of this press conference was a boiler plate announcement that has been used a million times) and shazam the Cyclone fans immediately assume this means he is coming to ISU. After all, why would "Harrison The Great" invite the public (which many of you thought equalled Cyclone fans) if he was not going to pick ISU? Add in the fact that he had not given any true indication as to whom his favorite might be and voila you have a bunch of Cyclone fans feeling "used". Believe me, I understand the emotions.

I certainly believe HB used ISU...but that is the recruiting game. Make no mistake, ISU (and every other NCAA program) uses their athletes (specifically in FB and MBB) to drive a significant amount of revenue into university coffers. This is the way the system is set up...it is a "mutual use" society in my opinion. ISU and its coaches and administration knew they were getting used but they made the business decision that this "usage" gave them the best chance to land a top recruit that would help drive increased revenues. There were no guarantees...this is really not much different than submitting a sales proposal...you spend a lot of time, resources, and energy putting a sales proposal together but there is no guarantee of a yes.

Lastly, I don't think anybody is (or has been) questioning GM's character. I'm not sure why you felt the need to bring that up but I have seen nothing questioning his integrity or character whatsoever. Having said that, make no mistake, coaching at a DI program in MBB and FB is a dog-eat-dog business. It is a ruthless business, and yes, there are some dishonorable people in it...but every business has some of those types.

In your post you used the word "logic"...I think you also need to remember that 17 and 18 year old males (I have both been one and now have one of my own) tend to not operate in a logical fashion much of the time. Additionally, fans tend to suspend their own logic when contemplating their favorite teams.

PS: I don't think we disagree on this topic as much as you may think but I am happy we tend to agree on more important topics because, at the end of the day, the HB decision to attend UNC is just not that important.
 
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Wouldn't it be easy as asking the other coaches if they were logged into Skye to determine if ISU was still in the running? If GMac wasn't asked to be on Skype wouldn't it seem like ISU fans were played?
 

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I think what you are missing is that nearly all of the top recruits these days are involved in some sort of spectacle when they sign. This press conference was really no different than many others that happened across the US last week and have been happening for a number of years now. It is just standard operating procedure now.

This has been driven by networks such as ESPN because it gives them more programming for which there is clearly an appetite. And make no mistake, most of these kids absolutely love the attention and love getting face time on TV. Of course, this is not unique to athletic kids in their teens...have you heard of reality TV? Have you seen the throng of people trying to get on TV behind the College Gameday set on ESPN every Saturday morning?

The only difference with this press conference was that the athlete signing happened to be in the same small town (that, let's face it, just does not have that much going on in it) as one of the universities he had on his short list of options. The public gets "invited" (the announcement of this press conference was a boiler plate announcement that has been used a million times) and shazam the Cyclone fans immediately assume this means he is coming to ISU. After all, why would "Harrison The Great" invite the public (which many of you thought equalled Cyclone fans) if he was not going to pick ISU? Add in the fact that he had not given any true indication as to whom his favorite might be and voila you have a bunch of Cyclone fans feeling "used". Believe me, I understand the emotions.

I certainly believe HB used ISU...but that is the recruiting game. Make no mistake, ISU (and every other NCAA program) uses their athletes (specifically in FB and MBB) to drive a significant amount of revenue into university coffers. This is the way the system is set up...it is a "mutual use" society in my opinion. ISU and its coaches and administration knew they were getting used but they made the business decision that this "usage" gave them the best chance to land a top recruit that would help drive increased revenues. There were no guarantees...this is really not much different than submitting a sales proposal...you spend a lot of time, resources, and energy putting a sales proposal together but there is no guarantee of a yes.

Lastly, I don't think anybody is (or has been) questioning GM's character. I'm not sure why you felt the need to bring that up but I have seen nothing questioning his integrity or character whatsoever. Having said that, make no mistake, coaching at a DI program in MBB and FB is a dog-eat-dog business. It is a ruthless business, and yes, there are some dishonorable people in it...but every business has some of those types.

In your post you used the word "logic"...I think you also need to remember that 17 and 18 year old males (I have both been one and now have one of my own) tend to not operate in a logical fashion much of the time. Additionally, fans tend to suspend their own logic when contemplating their favorite teams.

PS: I don't think we disagree on this topic as much as you may think but I am happy we tend to agree on more important topics because, at the end of the day, the HB decision to attend UNC is just not that important.

Excellent post. I rarely agree with you, but I think you hit the nail on the head. Your sales analogy is very apt. I work in sales and I cannot tell you how many times I've busted my butt for a prospect only to have them go with my competition. You can't take it personally. You can't feel used. It is simply the nature of the game.
 

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Wouldn't it be easy as asking the other coaches if they were logged into Skye to determine if ISU was still in the running? If GMac wasn't asked to be on Skype wouldn't it seem like ISU fans were played?
I'm guessing that only Roy was on Skype so that wouldn't really determine anything.
 

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Our MBB program was preseasonly ranked 29th by espn, i wouldnt call that struggling.

15-15 (6-10)
14-17 (4-12)
15-16 (4-12)

...maybe we haven't been watching the same team for the last few years?

I'm hopeful that we will have a break-out year also, but to say we haven't been struggling is obviously wrong.
 

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Katz doesn't specifically call out HB on his presser based on that info. He lumps HB in with hundreds of other high-profile FB and BB recruits, the Skype thing may be trendsetting but what HB did was fairly typical.

Fairly typical? Band? 3000 people? Suited up? Thanking a list of media entities? None of those are typical.
 

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Wouldn't it be easy as asking the other coaches if they were logged into Skye to determine if ISU was still in the running? If GMac wasn't asked to be on Skype wouldn't it seem like ISU fans were played?

Yes, Roy was the only coach logged into Skype, but he says he didn't know that, and none of the other coaches knew that Skype would be used. They thought HB would simply announce the school of his choice, or put on a hat.
Apparently, all six coaches were in the dark.
 

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Apparently, all six coaches were in the dark.
I'm sure by design, don't want the word to get out before hand. And why does it matter if it's a hat or Skype?
 

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What if it was him on speaker phone or something?

Or why couldn't he have phoned Williams ahead of time (even if just 5 minutes) and told him privately? I was disappointed in his decision. I was disgusted with his method of delivery.
 

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The thing that apparently all of the people sent to defend this kid don't understand is that everybody gets what happened, and why it did.

The part that bothers people is the presser, and the way that it happened. NOTHING that occurred was done by anyone else but Harrison Barnes. He controlled the content, and the language used, and every second of what transpired.

He said he made his decision Tuesday of that week. Yet, he was able to go play at the new practice facility, I am sure that there were some Cyclone players there, and be totally insincere with a group of people. Think of the time he has spent over that week with Doug,

He picked the day that it happened, and he knew it was the opening game of a pretty damn pivitol season for this program. Again, I choose to believe that he is a bright young man, and he knew the impact.

He went through his list of programs, saying glowing things about the coaches. Finishes with Iowa State, and thanks them for recruiting him for 2 1/2 years, and then in the flattest least inspired voice announced he would always be a Cyclone fan. He was more excited thanking KCCI than he was Iowa State's basketball program. Of course he rushed through that to get to his gimick.

The problem, now, is that the staff is sweating bullets because they know the implications of this.

That's why some of the plants haven't commented on this, they see that people are ******. Now they can get people to rally around the program. Let's just hope that this team wins a lot of games this year. It will go a long ways toward lightening the load.
 

CyAg

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The mechanism is not relevant, the method is the point of insult.

Face it, it was done wrong.
 

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Is it just easier to dismiss people with opposing decisions as plants? Or maybe I just staked out my turf here for 700 or so posts, and several thousand that were unfortunately stricken from the CF record before that, just waiting for the day when their might be a controversial press conference that I would need to stick up for HB.
 

CyAg

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In my opinion, it again shows the lack of sensitivity or comprehension of the impact and playong it out.

Personally not a big deal, but for some, it is salt in the wound.
 

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