DeSousa Out This year and next

nfrine

Well-Known Member
Mar 31, 2006
9,889
12,076
113
Nearby
CRYHAWK.gif
Random? Is that you?
 

randomfan44

Well-Known Member
May 30, 2015
7,512
3,703
113
Yep. Self is the victim here too I guess. He had nothing to do with the lack of depth. If only his primary recruiter wasn't facing federal prison time, maybe he could have picked up another big man.
Kansas has plenty of depth. Most teams that lose the caliber of players we have for the number of games we have would be cellar dwellars. What was Iowa State's record in their injury filled season last year? No one has the depth to stay in the Top 5 nationally and easily atop a hard conference after losing 2 key players for the season. KU is down but it's only down relative to their normal elite level. They're still very capable.

KU's depth still has them in the mix for the Big 12 title and ranked.
 

CyTwins

Well-Known Member
Jan 20, 2010
80,179
65,792
113
Ankeny
Bill Self being exposed as a mediocre coach isn't what is going on. Kansas has zero experience in their back court, three freshmen perimeter players, their Top 10 recruit isn't playing like you need a Top 10 recruit to play if ypu need him to start right away, their only senior is a flaky moron, their best big starter and best big off the bench are both out for the season and last night our best defender is out injured.

Lol you spent all off season on here saying this would be the deepest and most talented Bill Self team of all time
 

randomfan44

Well-Known Member
May 30, 2015
7,512
3,703
113
Lol you spent all off season on here saying this would be the deepest and most talented Bill Self team of all time
And their depth is why they are surviving both Dok and DeSousa being out for the year without having a lost season like ISU had last year.

As for talent, Kansas needed Grimes to be better than this at this point. He is in his own head and struggling but is starting to come around. He is shooting 48% from 3 in his last 7 games. He's a below average defender as most freshmen are but at least he's finding the range lately. Would be nice if he would figure out how to get 5 threes a game up rather than 2-3.

The biggest thing I didn't take into account was the impact of how careless and stupid Vick is. The freshmen defer to him too much because he's a senior but Vick really isn't mentally capable to handle that. Hopefully Dotson and Agbaji say screw it and just take over the leadership rols on the team. That transfer has started; hopefully it's not too late.

I am a firm believer in the theory that a team takes on the mentality of their leader. Vick is sloppy and careless and KU has been the same on the road. He isn't gonna change so KU needs to force a change to a different leader or deal with the consequences.
 

Sigmapolis

Minister of Economy
SuperFanatic
SuperFanatic T2
Aug 10, 2011
26,939
41,644
113
Waukee
Late to the party here...

But is DeSousa somebody who could just say "screw it" and go pro instead of waiting around for his persona non grata status to lift in college? Never play for the Jayhawks?
 

CyTwins

Well-Known Member
Jan 20, 2010
80,179
65,792
113
Ankeny
And their depth is why they are surviving both Dok and DeSousa being out for the year without having a lost season like ISU had last year.

As for talent, Kansas needed Grimes to be better than this at this point. He is in his own head and struggling but is starting to come around. He is shooting 48% from 3 in his last 7 games. He's a below average defender as most freshmen are but at least he's finding the range lately. Would be nice if he would figure out how to get 5 threes a game up rather than 2-3.

The biggest thing I didn't take into account was the impact of how careless and stupid Vick is. The freshmen defer to him too much because he's a senior but Vick really isn't mentally capable to handle that. Hopefully Dotson and Agbaji say screw it and just take over the leadership rols on the team. That transfer has started; hopefully it's not too late.

I am a firm believer in the theory that a team takes on the mentality of their leader. Vick is sloppy and careless and KU has been the same on the road. He isn't gonna change so KU needs to force a change to a different leader or deal with the consequences.

I think I was on the Charlie Moore sucks bandwagon pretty early and woof on KJ Lawson. I don't know how you could argue this has been Self's worst year of coaching in Lawrence

Likely starters to open the season are Moore, Grimes, Vick, Lawson & Azubuike

So that leaves a bench of:
Fr PG Devon Dotson
So SG Marcus Garrett
Rs. Jr SF KJ Lawson
So PF Silvio De Sousa
Fr C David McCormack

That's two McDonald's All American freshmen, two top 35 sophomores and a Top 50 4 star transfer who averaged 12 and 8 at Memphis in his last year there.
 

Halincandenza

Well-Known Member
Oct 24, 2018
9,434
10,262
113
Late to the party here...

But is DeSousa somebody who could just say "screw it" and go pro instead of waiting around for his persona non grata status to lift in college? Never play for the Jayhawks?

I think he could easily get a contract in Europe or Australia or someplace like that. Or perhaps sign with a G League team. In fact, I am guessing that is what he does after the appeal is over. Similar to the Miami kid.
 
  • Informative
Reactions: Sigmapolis

Sigmapolis

Minister of Economy
SuperFanatic
SuperFanatic T2
Aug 10, 2011
26,939
41,644
113
Waukee
I think he could easily get a contract in Europe or Australia or someplace like that. Or perhaps sign with a G League team. In fact, I am guessing that is what he does after the appeal is over. Similar to the Miami kid.

Thank you.

He is already losing a season, though, so does that not make him draft eligible?

Is he not good enough to warrant a serious consideration by the NBA beyond a second-round pick? So his likely fate, if he bails on Kansas, is as you said, looking for a relatively lucrative overseas contract or trying to play his way up from the D-League?
 

randomfan44

Well-Known Member
May 30, 2015
7,512
3,703
113
Every person who pays attention to basketball would laugh in your face if you told them you though Self was only a good coach because of his provided talent. Comically lazy take. He is a fantastic teacher of the game as well as an excellent x's and o's coach. There probably less than 5 coaches, pro or college, better at calling plays out of a tumeout or stoppage, than Self.

Claiming otherwise just tags you as having no knowledge of what you're actually watching.
 
Last edited:
  • Dumb
Reactions: JP4CY

Halincandenza

Well-Known Member
Oct 24, 2018
9,434
10,262
113
Thank you.

He is already losing a season, though, so does that not make him draft eligible?

Is he not good enough to warrant a serious consideration by the NBA beyond a second-round pick? So his likely fate, if he bails on Kansas, is as you said, looking for a relatively lucrative overseas contract or trying to play his way up from the D-League?

Yeah, he is draft eligible. I am guessing if he declared there is a chance he could be a late round pick based on if he has some good workouts with teams. I read somewhere that he got some offers from some overseas teams already.
 

Sigmapolis

Minister of Economy
SuperFanatic
SuperFanatic T2
Aug 10, 2011
26,939
41,644
113
Waukee
Yeah, he is draft eligible. I am guessing if he declared there is a chance he could be a late round pick based on if he has some good workouts with teams. I read somewhere that he got some offers from some overseas teams already.

Okay. Thanks. Sounds like the guy never plays for Kansas.

Waiting another whole season of dead air is a lot to give up for the young man.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: Halincandenza

randomfan44

Well-Known Member
May 30, 2015
7,512
3,703
113
I think he could easily get a contract in Europe or Australia or someplace like that. Or perhaps sign with a G League team. In fact, I am guessing that is what he does after the appeal is over. Similar to the Miami kid.
That is what I assume will happen as well if his primary concern is basketball. If he wants to stay in school and pursue his degree and play his last season, KU is allowed to continue to keep him on a basketball scholarship.

No idea where his head is at or what his priorities are. Like most kids his age, I doubt he knows what he wants to do, either.
 

JP4CY

Lord, beer me strength.
Staff member
SuperFanatic
SuperFanatic T2
Dec 19, 2008
74,604
95,614
113
Testifying
Every person who pays attention to basketball would laugh in your face if you told them you though Self was only a good coach because of his provided talent. Comically lazy take. He is a fantastic teacher of the game as well as an excellent x's and o's coach. There probably less than 5 coaches, pro or college, better at calling plays out of a tumeout or stoppage, than Self.

Claiming otherwise just tags you as having no knowledge of what you're actually watching.
Can you read? Who said only?

The statement was "it's hard to know."

Next time try not lying.
 

cycloner29

Well-Known Member
Dec 17, 2008
12,846
12,409
113
Ames
Every person who pays attention to basketball would laugh in your face if you told them you though Self was only a good coach because of his provided talent. Comically lazy take.

You are so delusional!! You saying that KU is not doing anything wrong is comical. Any college sports program will always be the core of any type of wrong doing issue. Just blaming it on a "handler", assistant coach, etc. is total absurd. Your denial of this is just like that of anyone with any type of sickness that they can't admit to. Admitting KU basketball is in the wrong here is the first step of your recovery program. When it does come out, fellow CF'ers will be on you like vultures. Be prepared!
 
  • Like
Reactions: WalkingCY

CyTwins

Well-Known Member
Jan 20, 2010
80,179
65,792
113
Ankeny
The biggest thing I didn't take into account was the impact of how careless and stupid Vick is. The freshmen defer to him too much because he's a senior but Vick really isn't mentally capable to handle that. Hopefully Dotson and Agbaji say screw it and just take over the leadership rols on the team. That transfer has started; hopefully it's not too late.

I am a firm believer in the theory that a team takes on the mentality of their leader. Vick is sloppy and careless and KU has been the same on the road. He isn't gonna change so KU needs to force a change to a different leader or deal with the consequences.

Lol

Vick is not a problem as a teammate at all. His presence on the team increases KU's shot at a deep run. Period.
 

randomfan44

Well-Known Member
May 30, 2015
7,512
3,703
113
Thank you.

He is already losing a season, though, so does that not make him draft eligible?

Is he not good enough to warrant a serious consideration by the NBA beyond a second-round pick? So his likely fate, if he bails on Kansas, is as you said, looking for a relatively lucrative overseas contract or trying to play his way up from the D-League?
He turned 20 last October so he was already eligible for last year's draft. No idea what his draft chances are. Not a 1st rounder with his small body of work so he would be a G-League/Europe guy most likely.
 
  • Informative
Reactions: Sigmapolis

Halincandenza

Well-Known Member
Oct 24, 2018
9,434
10,262
113
Okay. Thanks. Sounds like the guy never plays for Kansas.

Waiting another whole season of dead air is a lot to give up for the young man.

It will be interesting to see what KU looks like next year because there is a chance they could lose Azubuike and Lawson as well. There is always the chance Grimes leaves too. I think ESPN still has him as a top 50 prospect. So if he doesn't mind being a second rounder he could go.