Defense

Bestaluckcy

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Fred played three years for Johnny and one for Tim Floyd. The first coach was all offense the other all defense. I think it is too bad he did not learn under Larry E. Larry taught defense but new the value of having more points than your opponent.

If you look at our rebounding, that's a defensive stat for the most part. We are not too bad. Where we tend to fall down is allowing opposing teams to score too many points. I think we are near the bottom of the Big 12 in points allowed per game. Some of that can be attributed to our style of offense. We get out and move the ball up the court, that gives our opponents more possessions. Our players are not making opponents take uncomfortable shots, and our guards are weak defensively in my opinion. The possible exception to this may be Bubu P. and of course Babb.

As time goes on I think we will see whether the reason our defense is less than sterling is because of the players ( I think most players would prefer to concentrate on offense as opposed to defense) or because of coaching style. The one glaring fault I would like to see this team correct concerns Korie L.. After he gets beat defensively our next trip down to our end of the court more times than not will be Korie L one on five, trying to get it back single handedly. It usually results in a four point swing advantage to the other team. That hurts. I thought there were times we played some good defense last night and got stops. We just needed more of them.
 
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carvers4math

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Try to rank the players for defense?
Babb>GN>ME>WC>KL>TM>Booker>Bubu>Percy>Rulzzz

Agree on the first three for sure. After that, I just don't know. Clyburn got burned baseline several times last night, although it was that one really good player they had. I think Bubu's defense is better than several you have ahead of him, in particular Lucious. I used to think Booker's defense was OK and he got called for fouls other guys don't, but haven't seen much of him this year at all. But I think Tyrus' defense is the worst of the not Percy/Booker guys. Nothing against Tyrus, love him on offense, but it is what it is.
 

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We have a couple guys who really struggle on defense, mainly Clyburn and McGee but last nights game was more about Okie St just being more athletic. They just seemed to be a step quicker at every position and it led to some easy buckets. This isn't really a knock on our guys, Okie St may be the most athletic team in our conference.
 

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Wow some people here have pretty low standard for defense

No way should a team that shoots over 50% from the floor for the game and goes 13-24 from 3pt land lose.

Our guys play some of the WORST on ball defense of BCS teams I've seen this year. Guys just don't move their feet welland we do too much reaching. Plus I don't think we play smart defense to the situation. Lasr night Smarts game winning shot was a prime example. No way should Will have been that tight. Let Smart shoot the 3, but the one thing that can't happen is getting beat on the dribbleor fighting through the high pick! Will needed to go under.

I know Fred is selling an uptempo/NBA style offense- but championship teams and road games are won by solid defense, rebounding and getting to the line.
 

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I am hoping that defense can get more focus as Fred brings in more freshman, and that they can spend more practice on defense since guys are in the program longer.

I am also hoping Fred can start reeling in those elusive bigs that can play like Ejim but at 6'8 or 6'9 and with shot blocking ability. I'm not really big on steals because I think the overplaying and aggressiveness can do more harm than good, especially on a team without an inside defensive presence, but I think shot blocking is really valuable on defense.
 

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I'm too lazy to look it up, but it's too early to tell about how much FH promotes defense. I recall the team churning out some real solid defense last year more toward the end of the season, including what felt like a real gritty effort at KSU. Could be wrong statistically...

I actually think the offensive movement is a problem too. I've already beat this into the ground, but chucking up quick threes only gives the other team more opportunities to get back up the floor quickly against an unset defense. A good 'defense' last night, with a good lead, could have been long offensive possessions that, if not ending in a high percentage shot, at least made OSU work hard on defense and keep them out of a rhythm. What happened to a team simply working its way through an actual offensive set, as opposed to everyone just looking for the next one on one spot?
 

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I'm too lazy to look it up, but it's too early to tell about how much FH promotes defense. I recall the team churning out some real solid defense last year more toward the end of the season, including what felt like a real gritty effort at KSU. Could be wrong statistically...

I actually think the offensive movement is a problem too. I've already beat this into the ground, but chucking up quick threes only gives the other team more opportunities to get back up the floor quickly against an unset defense. A good 'defense' last night, with a good lead, could have been long offensive possessions that, if not ending in a high percentage shot, at least made OSU work hard on defense and keep them out of a rhythm. What happened to a team simply working its way through an actual offensive set, as opposed to everyone just looking for the next one on one spot?


Offensive sets? So you want McDoormat back?
 

Doc

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I'm too lazy to look it up, but it's too early to tell about how much FH promotes defense. I recall the team churning out some real solid defense last year more toward the end of the season, including what felt like a real gritty effort at KSU. Could be wrong statistically...

I actually think the offensive movement is a problem too. I've already beat this into the ground, but chucking up quick threes only gives the other team more opportunities to get back up the floor quickly against an unset defense. A good 'defense' last night, with a good lead, could have been long offensive possessions that, if not ending in a high percentage shot, at least made OSU work hard on defense and keep them out of a rhythm. What happened to a team simply working its way through an actual offensive set, as opposed to everyone just looking for the next one on one spot?

That statistics back up your thoughts on the defense last year. They were really weak defensively in the nonconference last year, but ended up being the 3rd best Big 12 defense in conference games. They were best in the Big 12 at defensive rebounding and playing defense without fouling.
 

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That statistics back up your thoughts on the defense last year. They were really weak defensively in the nonconference last year, but ended up being the 3rd best Big 12 defense in conference games. They were best in the Big 12 at defensive rebounding and playing defense without fouling.
Crazy how much difference a year makes, btw. Last year, ISU's B12 defensive efficiency was 0.99 PPP, which as you say was good for third in the conference. This year, at 1.003 PPP, they're in 6th place defensively. Compared to their opponents this year and last, the defense is playing with essentially the same efficiency (in fact, swap the numbers, and they'd still b in 3rd/6th place, respectively), but every team not named Texas or ISU that was in the B12 last year has improved their defense dramatically since last year's conference play. Maybe it has to do with TCU/WVU's bad offenses, not sure.
 
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McGee fouls a 3 point shooter every game it seems.

McGee is a horrible defender and he doesn't handle well. The only things he does well is shoot and hustle. It baffles me that people actually think he should be starting.
 

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Offensive sets? So you want McDoormat back?

Nope, just something to actually rely on that looks like the players know what to do when they get a lead, and want to keep the other team from going on a run (like the situation Wednesday).

Getting long range, low percentage shots off seemingly as fast as possible isn't it.
 

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I would like to see something similar to the spacing video with Otz and be defense oriented.

ISU has some different philosophies on defense. They play pretty low pressure defense, which can be effective, but it can also seem like they aren't playing very hard.

That's exactly how it seems to me. Where is our defensive intensity? I just don't see it.
 

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I think if we had a much deeper more productive bench big men wise our defense would be more aggressive. When Niang gets into foul trouble we struggle with the other two who come off the bench. Also seems to me this team is more of an offensive team (obviously) with the new guys from Indian Hills coming in who defend well from what I have seen will help our interior defense.

I do not think our defense is down right horrible, but it is not consistent enough to pull out close games right now. Wish we had Godfrey right now, him and Niang would be a hell of a force to contend with. IDK just my two cents.
 

Wesley

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Your player evaluations of defense are more terrible than Ejim's 4th foul last night.
A lot of our our guards go for steals they never get and let people go around them and then our inside people suffer. What is your list?