of the gentlemen penciled in the first string or potential starters on the current football squad, how many starters are chizzlestick's recruits and how many are paul rhoads recruits????anyone care to make a stab at the above question?thank you.
of the gentlemen penciled in the first string or potential starters on the current football squad, how many starters are chizzlestick's recruits and how many are paul rhoads recruits????anyone care to make a stab at the above question?thank you.
I diagree witht he "both". One thing chizdick did was tell kids not to commit unless they were 100%. He did the ground work for those guys and he had most of them committed by October. Those guys were coming here no matter what. He sold them on ISU. Guys like Klein, Money, and Reeves never waivered on their committments. They were quoted as saying they never waivered.QB- Tiller (Chizik), Jantz (Rhoads)
RB-Shontrelle (Rhoads)
TE-Hammer (Chizik), Brun (Rhoads), Howard (Rhoads)
OT-Osemele (Chizik)
OG-Tuftee (Chizik) Dika (Rhoads)
OC-Farniok (Rhoads) Tuatolo (Rhoads)
OG-Hicks (Chizik)
OT-Burris (Chizik)
WR-Lenz (Both), Reynolds (Rhoads), Darks (Chizik)
DE-Lattimer (Rhoads)
DT-Rump (Chizik)
DT-Laing (Chizik)
DE-Maggitt (Chizik)
LB-Knott (Rhoads)
LB-Klein (Both)
LB-George (Rhoads), Taufoou (Rhoads)
CB-Johnson (Chizik)
S-Benton (Chizik)
S-Washington (Both)
CB-Reeves (Both)
My attempt giving credit for the 2009 class to both that were commited before the coaching change, since technically it was both.
CPR actually called Money on Christmas day 2008...:yes:
In all fairness, Chiz's recruits that are left are obviously the upperclassmen. When he took over, the majority of starters were DMac's guys. CPR has only had 2 full classes--those guys will start to make their way into the two deeps this year.
Just don't want to give Eugene any more credit than he's already taken for any success ISU has going forward.
I know people don't want to give chizdick any credit but guys pike Klein Reump, Johnson, Lain, Lens, Maggie, etc all made major contributions as Fresh and Soph. so they were beating out DMacs Jrs and srs.In all fairness, Chiz's recruits that are left are obviously the upperclassmen. When he took over, the majority of starters were DMac's guys. CPR has only had 2 full classes--those guys will start to make their way into the two deeps this year.
Just don't want to give Eugene any more credit than he's already taken for any success ISU has going forward.
I know people don't want to give chizdick any credit but guys pike Klein Reump, Johnson, Lain, Lens, Maggie, etc all made major contributions as Fresh and Sophistication. so they were beating out DMacs Jrs and srs.
You should try to explain a little bit more what you mean by major contributions. And maybe proofread before posting too.
Damn auto correct. KO, Johnson, Benton, Klein, Reump, Lenz, Haughton, etc. All saw significant time as Fr and Soph. That is a fact. Heck they were some of our best players last year. Three are considered NFL prospects, Haughton would be one as well as possibly Klein. They played ahead of upperclassmen. They made significant contributions to the team as underclassmen.
On top of that, we have had no one drafted in the last two years. That really underscores the lack of talent in DMac's last couple of classes. I am a big DMac fan and not necessarily a chizdick fan but of you look at it objectively, he brought in some pretty good guys. Not to mention he was in on some higher rated guys right before he left.
Sorry for the lack of proofread...small screen
Agree on the JUCOs but I am not sure that is any different than most coaches when they come in late. CPR did a similar thing with Tau'fo'ou and Lattimer but they panned out. Of course, they have had trouble with the law. One thing you saw chizdick do was sell kids on ISU. He repeatedly told kids not to commit unless they were 100% sure and he even pulled offers if kids committed and then visited somewhere else. I think that helped hold the class together along with CPR just being a hell of a guy.Don't worry about the proofread. We knew what you meant and I got a good laugh out of it.
The Chiz brought in some good players especially when he grabbed HS players. One of his problems was that he tried to make a splash by signing a few too many JuCos that didn't do much. His transition class I think he just grabben anyone he could because he only had a short time to do so. The second year I think he wanted to win as much as possible to help his resume. Those JuCos that didn't pan out really hurt the team when they were here and also killed our depth when CPR took over which is why we have such a thin LB and DL corps.
The Chiz had his moments in recruiting though, I will give you that.
Did I say he was?Chizik may have recruited some of the guys that are looking like possibly draftees, but he wasn't the one who has been coaching them up over the last 2+ years.
Don't worry about the proofread. We knew what you meant and I got a good laugh out of it.
The Chiz brought in some good players especially when he grabbed HS players. One of his problems was that he tried to make a splash by signing a few too many JuCos that didn't do much. His transition class I think he just grabben anyone he could because he only had a short time to do so. The second year I think he wanted to win as much as possible to help his resume. Those JuCos that didn't pan out really hurt the team when they were here and also killed our depth when CPR took over which is why we have such a thin LB and DL corps.
The Chiz had his moments in recruiting though, I will give you that.
Agree on the JUCOs but I am not sure that is any different than most coaches when they come in late. CPR did a similar thing with Tau'fo'ou and Lattimer but they panned out. Of course, they have had trouble with the law. One thing you saw chizdick do was sell kids on ISU. He repeatedly told kids not to commit unless they were 100% sure and he even pulled offers if kids committed and then visited somewhere else. I think that helped hold the class together along with CPR just being a hell of a guy.
chizdick was in on Marry, Mars and Joel Kight at LB. Marry was pretty high on ISU until chizdick left then went to Ole Miss. There were a couple DL that were in the same situation. I think we were one of three visits for DE Dye. A four star that ended up at Miami. While people didn't think we had a chance, he visited and that meant a lot.
I am not saying he would have devloped the talent but he got some good guys here. I know a lot of people don't like McFarland but if you look at the guys he brought in on the OL...wow.Burris, KO, Hicks, Haughton, Lichtenburg, Tuftee... A lot of talent on that OL Reggie Stephens also gave McFarland a lot of credit for his development.
I tend to disagree. A full recruitment period is ot Nov-Feb. Any coaching change is late in the recruiting game. Recruiting relationships are built over a 1-2 year time period. Not a month or two. Anyone you grab in a month or two has some issues unless they are a JUCO that blew up in their last season. And even if they are JUCO, they are there for a reason.Chiz didn't really come in "late" his first year. He was named the head coach in November of '06. I realize a lot of recruiting is done throughout the season and even a full year ahead of time, but in terms of coaching transitions, Chiz had a full recruitment period. Unlike when Chiz left in mid-December and it was Christmas before we got CPR. That's a big difference in recruiting time.
2007 late signees after chizdick was hiredDon't worry about the proofread. We knew what you meant and I got a good laugh out of it.
The Chiz brought in some good players especially when he grabbed HS players. One of his problems was that he tried to make a splash by signing a few too many JuCos that didn't do much. His transition class I think he just grabben anyone he could because he only had a short time to do so. The second year I think he wanted to win as much as possible to help his resume. Those JuCos that didn't pan out really hurt the team when they were here and also killed our depth when CPR took over which is why we have such a thin LB and DL corps.
The Chiz had his moments in recruiting though, I will give you that.
As you can see, chizdick had a lot more work to do to fill the class than CPR and was only hired three weeks earlier than CPR.Chiz didn't really come in "late" his first year. He was named the head coach in November of '06. I realize a lot of recruiting is done throughout the season and even a full year ahead of time, but in terms of coaching transitions, Chiz had a full recruitment period. Unlike when Chiz left in mid-December and it was Christmas before we got CPR. That's a big difference in recruiting time.
I know people don't want to give chizdick any credit but guys pike Klein Reump, Johnson, Lain, Lens, Maggie, etc all made major contributions as Fresh and Soph. so they were beating out DMacs Jrs and srs.
Okay, stay on track here. We are talking recruiting. That is the topic. Who recruited who. Not who is the better coach. Not who develops the talent better, etc, etc.And how many wins did we get those two years? Sure the talent may have upgrades, but the coaching has been the biggest change....