Connor Frankamp transferring
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I'm saying if you are comparing Fred Hoiberg and Bill Self you can't just point to Self going to more Elite 8s or Sweet 16s or whatever. Kansas is not the same as ISU and when making comparisons you have to account for the differences.
Bill Self has had more bad losses in the tourney than any other ku coach in 35+ years. That's something to consider when evaluating him. It doesn't make him a terrible coach it just puts his tenure at Kansas in context. And if you would've actually read my posts I wouldn't have had to repeat myself.
Fred hasn't been able to have a good enough season yet that beating them in the tourney is considered a great upset. Kinda part of the point...
So to compare Self to Fred you are comparing Self to other KU coaches. Interesting tactic. I notice you have conveniently left out the fact that he's also had more SUCCESS than any KU coach in 35+ years...
Lose as a 2 seed in the first round, great upset...but lose as a 3 seed in the first round, that would not be a great upset. Got it
A momentary break from this ridiculousness to report on the topic of the thread. Conner Frankamp's brother stated yesterday that Conner has a meeting with Gregg Marshall next week and is down to Wichita State, Creighton and Colorado. Hope end ends up at Creighton so I can see him play from time to time...
I drew the line at the 8/9 seeds so it depends on where you draw that line. He lost to a 7, 8, and 9 in his 15 or 16 years. Roy never lost to a 10 seed or worse
He certainly has had a lot of success I've conceded that. Is he considered better in the post season than Roy? Their top end performance looks similar to me.
And yes, to evaluate a coach and whether he has been successful you have to compare him to previous coaches at that school....that's pretty basic stuff. You tried to do it earlier with Self and Tulsa but didn't actually do your research since Tulsa was already very good prior to Self getting there....
Yeah, a guy who was in the Hampton band who just happens to have the last name of Hampton wrote the article. :skeptical:
That article made me LOL. It is about the Hampton upset and written by a guy by the name of Cole Hampton. Maybe he's biased because he is related to the university? I know it's unlikely, but thinking about it made me laugh anyway. :twitcy:
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Roy Williams never choked in the ncaa tourney when he was at KU? That's all he did. When you're consistetntly a top seed, you're a lot more likely to lose to higher seeds.
I don't see any national title banners hanging in the rafters from ol' Roy's days at KU.
That's a fair opinion but facts are Self has lost to 4 10+ seeds and a 9 seed in 11 years. You can't to totally ignore that.
Roy Williams not winning a national title with the talent he had on the '97, '02 and '03 teams will always go down as one of the most unacceptable things I have experienced as a KU fan. They had no business losing to anyone in '97. Their only loss prior to the tourney was with their PG out with a broken wrist and even that was only @Mizzou by 2 points in double OT. Ridiculous. The only person that could stop Paul Pierce in college basketball? ROY WILLIAMS.
Again that's fair but he did go to two national titles and a final 4. They are at least comparable.
Couldn't agree more. If any KU coach should be knocked, it's Roy. Self is probably the best coach in the country, top 3 for sure.
I'm really hoping that he gets to go to Wichita State. The more success that program has, the worse it makes KU look for dodging them.
So how far back in this do I have to go to find out anything about where this kid might be transferring to?
^EDIT: Thanks GTO.
^EDIT: Thanks GTO.
