Both Hoiberg and Prohm have had intense practices. I mean literally last year there was a practice which resulted in multiple fights lol. The problem is the narrative was then "Coach Prohm has lost the team" when that happened.
COLUMN: An analysis on the future of Iowa State basketball
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One thing I noticed about Grill is he's always moving his feet and his eyes to keep his opponent closer. Whereas some other players seem to give their opponents more space to lesson that effort.
I think just a big an issue is posters who don't have this experience and knowledge assuming no one else does either.
Well sure. If you really know what you're talking about and you also watch the games you're going to be able to come up with some valid points. The average fan, who pretends to know what they're talking about or think they know what they're talking about, don't come up with valid points.
Good analysis, I agree that the staff didn't anticipate THT and Lard going pro and off this years roster thus going after developmental players in Anderson, Leech, Jackson and Grill. It made some sense, likely high 4 stars and sit out transfers looked to be blocked by them (possibly Lindell too). The error was once Maui happened and Lards off the court issues persisted the staff didn't change the strategy early enough. The staff did get Bolton to replace Wigginton but obviously the 4 freshman were going to be able to fill THT and Lard's roles. Obviously the staff was a bit stuck and unable to pull scholarships from signed freshman before they get to campus. I will give credit to Prohm by not doubling down and keeping all 4 when it was appearent 2 likely couldn't contribute next year. It allowed replacing them with top 100 talents in Blackwell and Foster who should be able to play early and hopefully improve next year's outlook.
Lesson here is Prohm not taking a full class of developmental players moving forward and be left with holes and no avenues to fill them. The goal should be to have a couple of top 125ish and up freshman who can come in and play early if needed and then they can take a developmental project. I would also recommend holding 1 scholarship until the spring to either take a JuCo or high level grad transfer if the roster dictates it or if they don't need an immediate impact player add a high level sit out transfer for a long term need.
Naz was godawful his first year here. Of the 3 guards in that class with Niang, between Okoro, SDW, and Naz, if you told me only one of them would make it at any point during or shortly after that season, I would never have guessed it would be Naz.
Oh it's on Prohm there's no doubt about that. Even if there were guys that left early or guys didn't pan out, it's still on the coach. Prohm's recruiting style the past few years has not exactly worked wonders so far. Sure we've gotten some really good players but if they leave in one or two years and you don't have a plan for those circumstances, you're not setting yourself up well for sustained success. We're not a program that can consistently reload with high end talent year after year.
Fred had some successful teams his 2nd and 3rd years but his 4th and 5th years were so much better because he had recruits that had been in the system for multiple years compounded with a couple of transfers. That's how Coach Prohm is going to succeed here and I think he's a good enough recruiter to do that. To get from being a good team to a great team though is on Prohm himself. The X's and O's, rotations, in game-management type stuff.. Those are things that separate a 2nd round - Sweet 16 team from an Elite 8 - Final 4 team.
Everyone is qualified to have an opinion. JFC. We must be getting to the end game.
My opinion is that CSP is in over his head as a leader, and his teams underperform relative to talent. It's possible he could learn and improve (e.g. Scott Drew) but I'm not super confident about that, based on my observations over the past few years.
My opinion is that CSP is in over his head as a leader, and his teams underperform relative to talent. It's possible he could learn and improve (e.g. Scott Drew) but I'm not super confident about that, based on my observations over the past few years.
Everyone can have an opinion, yes, but that doesn't mean the opinion is valid lol. I could have an opinion on biological engineering but that doesn't mean that anything that I say or think will be taken seriously..
Also tell me, besides last year's team.. what other team has Steve Prohm coached that has underperformed relative to their talent?
Not really. Trying to stop you from looking wrong and not smart.
That first team was 2011 Kentuckyesque according to the coaches on cf.
Nm that they refuse to answer simple questions about it. Group think must prevail.
I'm not sure if they don't want to answer the question or if they haven't seen the notification yet.. But I'm honestly wondering besides last year, where they believe Prohm has underachieved. Last year we probably underachieved during the Big 12 going only 9-9. We probably should've been better than that but I don't think we were better than Tech or K-State when they were fully healthy. We also definitely underachieved in the NCAA tournament by one game. We should've been in the second round for sure, but to say we would've automatically beaten Houston or even gone on and beat Kentucky in the Sweet 16 would be pretty wishful thinking.
So was it Prohm's first year as the head coach where he basically had 6 Big 12 caliber players, went to the Sweet 16, and ended the season ranked #22? Was it the following year where we had a great Big 12 record, won the Big 12 Tournament, lost by inches to the best Big 10 team and ended the year ranked #16? I don't think we underachieved in either season honestly.
Two years ago and this year we haven't underachieved. We weren't better than our record two years ago and we're not better than our record currently. Both years are disappointing for sure but not underachieving.
It sucks that THT went pro earlier than anyone had anticipated, and we are paying for that now. But, as soon as TH went and won in Europe, you had to see that the NBA was going to be an option for him after this year. Prohm needs to get better at managing a roster. Know what you have for sure coming back and what you need and then go get it. I kind of feel like communication with the players is an issue, because he doesn't seem to have any idea what the guys are thinking and therefore can't plan for the future accordingly.
Next year's team needs a starting PG and a scoring wing. Whether that's JUCO or grad transfer. If Prohm can fix that, he's going to get fired after next season.
Next year's team needs a starting PG and a scoring wing. Whether that's JUCO or grad transfer. If Prohm can fix that, he's going to get fired after next season.
Yes but he is then also counting on an 18 yo in the case of THT to make up his mind in a timely manner. THT may not have had any idea until he talked to some scouts and teams what he was going to do or see where he was projected to go. This year with TH is a little different and you can tell, because even though technically we don't have any open spots, unless TH leaves or there is attrition, he is still openly recruiting.
