Coach Steve Prohm stepping away from Murray St.

AllInForISU

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Because for too many it's personal. Many on this site, especially his close friends had TJ penciled in as the head coach when Fred left in 2015. There were some that campaigned for TJ after GMAC left in 2010. And when Prohm was given TJ's chair........they were not happy. And still can't let it go.

I believe even TJ has said even though he wanted the job, he probably wasn’t ready for it.
 

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Because for too many it's personal. Many on this site, especially his close friends had TJ penciled in as the head coach when Fred left in 2015. There were some that campaigned for TJ after GMAC left in 2010. And when Prohm was given TJ's chair........they were not happy. And still can't let it go.

JFC? This **** still?

It was always about him not being a good enough head coach

It’s only a topic because of people like you that can’t accept that
 

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Well it didn’t work out well for Iowa State fans. 3 out of 6 years, SP finished DEAD LAST in the Big 12 conference. (Edit: One of those years, he finished 9th, not 10th - my bad [insert massive sarcastic eye roll here]). Freddy’s program had elevated Iowa State’s men’s basketball like it had never been elevated before. Nationally relevant basketball, even more so than Johnny, Floyd, or Larry due to the style of play, charisma, etc. Back to back 3 seeds. Rosters with NBA players. And the Prohm decision nearly squandered ALL of that momentum. It’s actually insane to think back how horribly that momentum was lost. SP was handed 2 years of top 10/20 basketball roster and did nothing but underperform with it. And then recruited a really good one in year 4! Annnnnd vastly underperformed.

Given the context of the situation and the trajectory/status of the program at the time (vs. where the program was at in the mid-80’s or early 2000’s), it might be the worst/most disappointing era of Cyclone basketball. Thank God we were able to get TJ back when we did.
But would the program be as successful now if TJ took over instead of Prohm? Possibly. But I think it was important for TJ to get HC experience for a few years before taking over the ISU job

Short term loss for long term gain
 

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Wtf are you talking about? You're the one defending him. Even if the MVC is better than the OVC it's still a mid-major.
And no one was disputing that. It's you that doesn't understand mid major versus low major and that there are levels other than power league.
 
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And no one was disputing that. It's you that doesn't understand mid major versus low major and that there are levels other than power league.

Genuinely curious, how would you classify the difference between mid/low majors? I know how I would, but I’m curious as to how a MVC fan would.
 

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Genuinely curious, how would you classify the difference between mid/low majors? I know how I would, but I’m curious as to how a MVC fan would.

Sadly for them, the biggest thing is multiple berth type conference imo

Clearly the MVC is better than most in the 1, maybe 2, bid level
 

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Sadly for them, the biggest thing is multiple berth type conference imo

Clearly the MVC is better than most in the 1, maybe 2, bid level

Clearly? I don’t know about that. I think they could certainly get 2 bids if everything falls just right, but the years of them getting 2 consistently has passed. It’s too bad too, I really liked the MVC of old.
 

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Genuinely curious, how would you classify the difference between mid/low majors? I know how I would, but I’m curious as to how a MVC fan would.
Average league budget over $3.5M is a mid major. Below that is low major.

Your mid major leagues are the AAC, A10, CUSA, Valley, Mountain West, WCC (will drop to low major after the Western realignment). These are also the only leagues that it's currently possible to get an at large from.
 
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Clearly? I don’t know about that. I think they could certainly get 2 bids if everything falls just right, but the years of them getting 2 consistently has passed. It’s too bad too, I really liked the MVC of old.

Agree it’s a shame the MVC has been hurt in perception in realignment

A conference that usually only gets their tournament champ in the NCAA is a fairly big break point imo.

WCC/PAC, A10, MWC, American, are midmajors

MVC, CUSA, maybe IVY are clearly above most low majors but don’t usually get the benefit of doubt that midmajors get

The MAC being so awful in basketball has always been interesting. Most of those schools would benefit moving football to FCS and spend more on basketball
 
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He took over a team with 2 AA caliber players( one being a PG), 4 or 5 other guys that played some form of pro basketball including a legit rim protector in McKay, and finished 5th in the league. That team had more talent than it's opponents basically every night and they went 23-12
I’m not going to defend him or say that he’s John Woden or something. He deserved to get fired. I’ll just say that team despite having some great players was flawed. Not much for depth, not much for size, very few guys who could defend or rebound.
 
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Well, great is a very subjective term and I don't remember using it anyway, but they've been the class of the MVC for the last 5-6 years now.

To your other clueless point, the MVC is currently 11th and the OVC is ranked as the 26 best conference out of 31 so I'd say your statement about them being even is pretty dumb.

Belmont and Murray St were the class of the OVC and now they are both struggling in the MVC so that should add further evidence against your claims.

To be fair I wouldn't say that Belmont is struggling. They finished 5th last season and 4th this year, and it appears they are giving Drake a tough battle as I write. For some reason they don't get much fan support, even at home, which is odd for a well-respected program.
 

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It seemed like he stayed in his comfort zone recruiting the south and bringing in the assistants he did. Recruiting Haliburton, THT and Hunter from WI/IL should’ve been representative of the whole strategy, not just good one-offs.

IIRC the rumor back in 2018ish when Berry left was that Prohm could’ve gotten Kyle (and AJ) Green. Instead he hired Kane who I believe was another Murray/southern guy. Who knows how this ends up if you add AJ and Kyle’s coaching to that 18-19 squad.

That’s a fireable offense in itself if true. I always thought it was stupid that he was recruiting the south. Those kids were always going to pick a sec school…even if they weren’t good back then and had empty arenas. I thought that Prohm finally saw the error of his ways with the TH THT class, but then he went right back to recruiting the south.
 
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High school? Unless he takes over a team with a great roster he clearly isn't a good coach. I never could figure out what he was trying to do as a coach. His teams were so inconsistent. Absolutely zero identity. He's a career assistant. If you can't win at Murray in that league it's time to move on. They are THE PROGRAM in that league.
He would be a terrible high school coach. That takes the patience and ability to develop guys.
 
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Not sure what she did to get this tired gold digger trope other than be his wife
Meh it was the rumor when they were here, when he got the extension they built the new house down in Kentucky. Not sure if true or not but such is life.
I'm sure they are both nice people, glad as can be he's not our coach anymore.
I never saw anyone as thoroughly destroy a BB program as he did.
Most folks I knew didn't think golddigger, more like how did he end up with someone that good-looking.
 

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So which of the five stages does this thread put us at? Can’t remember when it was ok to let Ken Tricky retreat to the pages of ISU basketball history.
 

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I believe the 2-22 year that Coach Prohm left Iowa State with- helped TJ and the Clones. Think about how quickly TJ catapulted himself and the program into the limelight by following that year with a Sweet 16 run. That put TJ and Iowa State back on the map. Thank you coach Prohm for the 2-22 season.
 
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It is unfathomable that a coach could go 2-22 at ISU with what was a reasonably decent team.
 
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