Car Maintenance / Repair Ripoffs (long)

AirWalke

Well-Known Member
Aug 7, 2006
7,020
1,592
113
Des Moines
Always have such a hard time trusting auto repair shops myself. There's one that I've taken my car to a few times because my dad keeps recommending them, and they seem like honest guys, but I joke with my dad that I get them to fix one problem and two more sprout up.

Used to have a great place when I was still in Iowa City, I think the owner was a member of our church... so it's always very helpful to have a mechanic that you KNOW in addition to having one you can TRUST.
 

cycloner29

Well-Known Member
Dec 17, 2008
12,730
12,246
113
Ames
Jiffy Lube put a serpentine belt on wrong on a buddy of mine's Lumina causing the water pump to run backwards and pretty much overheated the engine. The put a new motor in it for him.
 

cyrocksmypants

Well-Known Member
Dec 29, 2008
91,284
89,025
113
Washington DC
Since I'm out of state, I call up my brother and have him diagnose my car for me. I tell him what's wrong and what some of the "symptoms" are and he'll tall me what the issues are. I take it to the repair shop and tell them exactly what I want done, no more, no less.
 

Dopey

Well-Known Member
Nov 2, 2009
3,246
2,095
113
Jiffy Lube put a serpentine belt on wrong on a buddy of mine's Lumina causing the water pump to run backwards and pretty much overheated the engine. The put a new motor in it for him.

Jiffy Lube does serpentine belts? Wow. I thought only 17 year old kids who just learned how to change oil worked there. I don't even trust them for that.
 

ISUAlum2002

Well-Known Member
Apr 11, 2006
22,876
5,129
113
Toon Town, IA
Jiffy Lube does serpentine belts? Wow. I thought only 17 year old kids who just learned how to change oil worked there. I don't even trust them for that.

They do all sorts of minor work that they shouldn't be doing. Coolant hoses, belts, transmission and coolant flushes, etc etc. They need to stick to just oil changes, as they can barely get those done without screwing it up. Oh, I forgot, they have to vacuum your car out and lube the chassis along with topping off all the fluids as a package, as they don't offer just a simple oil change because it doesn't make them enough money.

Beware of the obligatory "your air filter is bad, buy ours for 3x what you could buy it at a store for and pay us the labor to install it" line from them as well, even when the filter isn't in need of replacement.
 

bugs4cy

Well-Known Member
Jun 7, 2009
1,029
81
48
Story County
Sorry so long - still makes my blood boil 10+ years later.
:mad::realmad::mad:
When I graduated from ISU I started working on staff there. Bought a used, high mileage Cadillac that I adored, but after a few years, got married and moved out of town so the daily 100 mile round trip commute (premium fuel or it knocked!) and constant fixing was eating us alive. We bought our first, and last, new car, a end-of-the-year clearance deal on a '97 Camry.

I continued to use Wilson Cadillac in Ames for oil changes because I knew the guys and they'd shuttle me to work, etc., so it was convenient. One the third oil change, all hell broke lose. I got there right as they were closing for the day, picked up the car and headed back to Ames for a couple of errands. As soon as I pulled on to Duff, the check engine light flickered. Because I knew there were locking up right now, and I still had 50 miles to get home, I turned around by Benson Buick and headed back. I found one mechanic still hanging around. Meanwhile, it was cold out so the salesmen were pulling cars into the mechanic bays so the blue-hairs could shop in the warmth. They pulled my Toyota in, he checks the oil - it doesn't register on the dipstick. The garage manager appears around this time, and declares that maybe they forgot to put the last quart in. The manager disappears. The mechanic (who was not the guy that had done the oil changed earlier that day) puts 4 quarts in total in my car. When done, he leaned over and said, "Honey, looks like you just earned yourself a new Cadillac from Mr. Wilson."

I was stunned. Speechless, really. The mechanic disappeared and one of the salesmen let me out since they had another roadmonster to bring in to sell to a rich widow.

On the way home it fully hit me what just happened. I called them the next day - the service manager could barely talk to me. I wanted honest answers about the ramifications of not putting oil in my car and me driving it away. The next month went by fast. At the Toyota dealer we had the an dropped and bearing inspected for scorch - all looked good, but no one could tell us if long-term issues were more likely (we planned to drive this car past 200K). My lawyer helped draft a letter to Wilson's , saying I wanted a Camry from them that had ALWAYS had oil in it. Mr Wilson called me the day he received my letter. I absolutely let loose on him. My husband eventually took the phone for serious conversation. But since we had no proof damage was done, we had no leverage.

In short, we ran oil analysis on that car for the next 200K. Sold it private sale, and a couple years ago is the last time we heard about it, but at that time they were still driving it so I guess it all worked out.

But, to this day, when I drive by Wilson Cadillac Toyota (man, I was POed when they became a Toyota dealer) they still get the one-finger salute from me. I have divided feelings about them, as they're big Cyclone supporters, but when someone screws me over, they have earned an enemy for life.

I love Trickles in Ames. If they can't handle something, they advise as to where to go. I will go to a dealer only if my leg is on fire and they have the last glass of water on the planet.

Oh, and my advice is that if you think a garage neglected to put oil in your car, get on the interstate and drive that thing till it blows. You don't want a car where you're constantly worrying about when it's going to take a dump - blow it and sue for a new one.
 

mgoldner

New Member
Sep 20, 2010
2
2
3
64
I was having an odd problem with my 97 Grand Prix GT a few years ago -- my low coolant light would come on every so often, and my engine temperature would start to rise.. just a little bit. Then the low coolant light would turn off, and the temperature would go back down. It just sort of alternated doing this for a while.

Looking at the tank under the hood, it seemed like there was plenty of coolant, so I wasn't sure what the deal was. I was visiting my girlfriend in Ames, it was on the weekend and I didn't know any local places, so I took it to Car-X, since they were open. Big mistake.

They took a while to look at it, and then called me to give me an estimate. They said that I had cracked headers, and the estimate was for something like $2500. After talking with my dad, he recommended I get a second opinion. So I went to a local place that we got a recommendation for (American Automotive, I believe), who said they would look at my car. After looking at my car for a while, the guy eventually figured out the problem -- the part of the coolant hose that reached down into the coolant tank underneath the hood had fallen off. So the coolant wasn't circulating or something.

The American Automotive guy went on to say that it was absolutely ridiculous that Car-X suggested there was something wrong with the headers, partly because the engine in these GM cars is awesome, and because there would be other signs, such as white, smoky exhaust. Plus, Car-X clearly didn't run any tests to actually see if my headers were cracked, since this guy also said there's an easy chemical test you can run, by pumping it through the car, and if it changes color, the headers are cracked.

So, safe to say Car-X was trying to **** me over. Luckily I went and got a second opinion, and it ended up just costing me an hour's worth of labor to try and figure out what was wrong with my car. That was my first and last time going to a Car-X. I will never, ever go there again, and neither should anybody else. Hell, it makes me suspicious of ANY chain repair place.


Since I just moved to Waterloo, if anybody has any suggestions on a trustworthy, reputable place in the area, I'd greatly appreciate it.

Hi,
My name is Mark Goldner the owner of the CarX in Ames and Des Moines. I am very sorry to hear of your experience with my store in Ames IA. We try to provide the very best service in Ames. If you would like to talk about this service, Please email me at [email protected] or call me at 515-223-7178 Ext 12.
Thanks for the feedback.
Mark
 
  • Like
Reactions: Wesley

mgoldner

New Member
Sep 20, 2010
2
2
3
64
Car-X is evil. My old Thunderbird had a leak in the gas line, so I took it to Car-X. They tried to sell me a new motor for a 1995 T-Bird.

Went to Accurate, and got my gas line fixed.


F-You, Car-X.
Hi,
My name is Mark Goldner the owner of the CarX in Ames and Des Moines. I am very sorry to hear of your experience with my store in Ames IA. We try to provide the very best service in Ames. If you would like to talk about this service, Please email me at [email protected] or call me at 515-223-7178 Ext 12.
Thanks for the feedback.
Mark
 
  • Like
Reactions: CycloneBax

Skyh13

Well-Known Member
Mar 17, 2006
7,381
4,240
113
Hi,
My name is Mark Goldner the owner of the CarX in Ames and Des Moines. I am very sorry to hear of your experience with my store in Ames IA. We try to provide the very best service in Ames. If you would like to talk about this service, Please email me at [email protected] or call me at 515-223-7178 Ext 12.
Thanks for the feedback.
Mark


Sorry Mark, it's been way too long since that happened to talk about it.. 3 years I think? Besides, I believe my father wrote a very angry letter/email to someone about it, so what needed to be said has already been said. Not much else to talk about.
 

abe2010

Well-Known Member
Jan 14, 2009
1,436
106
63
Story City, IA
Hi,
My name is Mark Goldner the owner of the CarX in Ames and Des Moines. I am very sorry to hear of your experience with my store in Ames IA. We try to provide the very best service in Ames. If you would like to talk about this service, Please email me at [email protected] or call me at 515-223-7178 Ext 12.
Thanks for the feedback.
Mark

There's only one way to undo the damage this thread has done to your rep...coupons!
 

CycloneBax

Active Member
Nov 9, 2006
736
210
43
Ankeny
Rep to Mark for replying.

I think there are several issues in this thread. Why do you think you should be able to compare what you paid to a professional that has liability to doing it yourself or having a friend do it? That is not possible.

I choose to do work on my own vehicle based on capability and then pay shops to do what I choose not to do or can't.

The costs are typically caused by the shops overhead. I'm sure Tuffy's, Car X, etc have certain requirements of location and building aesthetics. Just to start the shop the owner has a large investment. Then they are probably paying franchise fees of 5 to 10 % on the gross ticket (not their profits). When you look at what it costs for them to be open day to day, that is passed on to the customer and the owner is not getting rich off you. If that was the case, you wouldn't see the owners at the stores running the places.

What do they get for the franchise fees? National advertisement and usually some form of expertise to ensure proper training and proper diagnostics.

Obviously, it is less expensive to do it yourself or hire a mechanic out of his own residential garage or a shop in a lower cost area of town.

I just always remember the value of my family in the car and question whether I want to be responsible for what happens if I do something wrong.
 

simply1

Rec Center HOF
SuperFanatic
SuperFanatic T2
Jun 10, 2009
44,599
33,282
113
Pdx
Just curious what jack / stands you guys have used. I get nervous trusting those things, so I generally drive to my pop's and use some old bridge boards that he inherited to drive up on. I don't mind going back, but he's not getting around so good these days and he of course has to crawl under the vehicles, etc, lol. I told him to leave them to me in his will, but I'd rather not have them anytime soon. ;)
 

ISUAlum2002

Well-Known Member
Apr 11, 2006
22,876
5,129
113
Toon Town, IA
Just curious what jack / stands you guys have used. I get nervous trusting those things, so I generally drive to my pop's and use some old bridge boards that he inherited to drive up on. I don't mind going back, but he's not getting around so good these days and he of course has to crawl under the vehicles, etc, lol. I told him to leave them to me in his will, but I'd rather not have them anytime soon. ;)

Any decent set of jack stands will do fine. Just get the larger sets for trucks/SUV's and smaller sets for coupes/sedans. The jackstands usually aren't the issue when problems arise, its the placement of them. I always place them directly under the A-arms or rear axles and test the stability of it by giving strong side to side and front to back nudges to each corner of the vehicle to make sure it doesn't shake.
 

Cyclonesrule91

Well-Known Member
Apr 10, 2006
5,462
936
113
56
Waukee
I think there are several issues in this thread. Why do you think you should be able to compare what you paid to a professional that has liability to doing it yourself or having a friend do it? That is not possible.

I choose to do work on my own vehicle based on capability and then pay shops to do what I choose not to do or can't.
Give me a break. I"m all about paying somebody an honest dollar to do something for me if I don't want to mess around with it, but fixing stuff that don't need fixing or way overcharging for the repair is absolutely assanine. See some of the stories above and tell me why I should have sympathy for some of these hacks!

For example, this summer I noticed an oil leak under my van and I HATE oil leaks. Figuring it was an oil filter gasket or something simple, I climb underneath the van to see that my rear main seal is leaking. You have to drop the whole undercarriage of the front end to get to the point you can split the engine and tranny to get to the seal. I was going to do it but didn't want to do it as hot and humid as it was.

So I call the local Honda dealer. They said it would be 12 hrs at $110/hour plus a $40 seal. Close to $1,400. I called the friend I referred too earlier in this thread and took the van to him. Actual price of the seal....$13 and he charged me $40 / hour and that is his standard rate(up in NC Iowa) He also flushed my transmission and I paid him less the $500

The costs are typically caused by the shops overhead. I'm sure Tuffy's, Car X, etc have certain requirements of location and building aesthetics. Just to start the shop the owner has a large investment. Then they are probably paying franchise fees of 5 to 10 % on the gross ticket (not their profits). When you look at what it costs for them to be open day to day, that is passed on to the customer and the owner is not getting rich off you. If that was the case, you wouldn't see the owners at the stores running the places.

What do they get for the franchise fees? National advertisement and usually some form of expertise to ensure proper training and proper diagnostics.

Obviously, it is less expensive to do it yourself or hire a mechanic out of his own residential garage or a shop in a lower cost area of town.

I just always remember the value of my family in the car and question whether I want to be responsible for what happens if I do something wrong.
The bolded reason above is exactly why I do my own work for the most part. At least if I do it I know it is done right. If it's too big for me to tackle, then I want it done by someone who doesn't try to charge me $900 for a brake job that has nothing wrong with it or forget to put a drain plug in or tighten the lug nuts on my family vehicle my wife is hauling the kids around town in. I could give a rat's fart about a franchise fee.
 
  • Like
Reactions: ISUAgronomist

vincentaldrich

New Member
Dec 16, 2010
16
0
1
48
www.automd.com
The only thing that really ticked me off was I brought a '92 F150 into a dealership in my hometown, because it was running kinda rough. I talked to them for a while about it, told them how I was a young poor college student at the time, etc. They quoted me like 950 bucks because apparently there were some bolts in the block that were stripped and they would need to drill them out, rethread the block, etc.

Now mind you, this is 100% labor. No parts whatsoever.

I was surprised at this, and so I drove to my brother's house and we loosed all the bolts ourselves with a wrench, checked the threads, etc.

They said 3 or 4 were bad. There wasn't a single one that had any problem. If it weren't for my parents stopping me I would have contacted the better business bureau and written letters to the editor of the newspaper because knowingly screwing over a young student to me is just as low as it gets. Honestly I still get ****** about it.

I like Barkmeier's auto repair in Boone, Butch's in Ames, and United Fleet in Des Moines. If any of those guys screwed you over I'd be absolutely shocked.

Apologize for the disturbance. I have the same problem with my 95 and they qouted me for around 1500 bucks. That was an awful scenario since I have paid another repair shops to got it fixed but it seemed they just ripped me off...
 

cycloneace55

Active Member
Nov 22, 2006
600
29
28
Gardena, CA
These stories are why I am in the process of restoring an old VW based dune buggy. Here in southern California the weather is about as good as it gets (high 60's and sunny today) and there are parts stores all over the place. The car is about as simple as it gets and with a 1914cc engine (turbo) it will be a lot of fun to drive when its finished. It is street legal in the state for anyone who was wondering. The only problem is getting time to work on the thing, damn job keeps taking all my fun time in the garage.