Hindsight is 20/20 but with the make up of this years team are we really under performing? We just don't have the right pieces this year and it's a tough pill to swallow.
Can't believe the team will miss the tournament
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Hindsight is 20/20 but with the make up of this years team are we really under performing? We just don't have the right pieces this year and it's a tough pill to swallow.
I could see this team finishing anywhere from 3-6 to 6-3, but unfortunately, I think the 3-6 is most likely.
I really don't see them winning another game on the road. All of the teams they have left to play seem to play better at home, so the fact ISU might have beaten a couple of them at Hilton means nothing, especially since they didn't exactly crush anyone. TCU will be tough at Hilton, and I don't see any way that Baylor will lose to ISU this year.
This could all change if suddenly these seniors wake up and start hitting some shots, but there is no indication that will happen. This team just does not have the players that are needed...no inside presence, no rim protection, and no solid rebounders. You can't play uptempo basketball if you don't get the defensive rebounds. The biggest disappoint for me with this team is the inconsistency and poor shooting of so many seniors.
I really don't see them winning another game on the road. All of the teams they have left to play seem to play better at home, so the fact ISU might have beaten a couple of them at Hilton means nothing, especially since they didn't exactly crush anyone. TCU will be tough at Hilton, and I don't see any way that Baylor will lose to ISU this year.
This could all change if suddenly these seniors wake up and start hitting some shots, but there is no indication that will happen. This team just does not have the players that are needed...no inside presence, no rim protection, and no solid rebounders. You can't play uptempo basketball if you don't get the defensive rebounds. The biggest disappoint for me with this team is the inconsistency and poor shooting of so many seniors.
Why do you have a hard time seeing that? Your own post shows there is an approximately 35% chance that we don't. 17-13 and we are right on the bubble (at the very least need to win a conference tournament game to have any confidence).
Its also pretty unlikely that we win at WUV or KU to get that big win you reference. And Baylor at Hilton will be a tough one too.
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Watching this team play, do you feel they are playing up to their talent and experience level consistently? I do not. Yes, I really think our current 13-8 records represents underperformance.
Do I think we are playing up to full potential? No. Do I think we are significantly better than what we've shown? No, I don't. Here's the deal. We have a AA PG who's shouldering more weight than he's probably comfortable with. He likes to seek out his shot but he would prefer to create. We have a 5th year senior that is a nice role player but he's averaging 35 minutes per game in conference play. We have a an undersized guy playing the 4 and 5 who has zero consistency to his game. We have 2 transfers that are what they are. We just aren't built to be a really good/consistent team and that's not going to change.
I don't think expecting our team of 4 returning seniors led by a preseason AA point guard to make the tourney is too much.
I also think it will happen and agree people are prematurely freaking out.
I also think it will happen and agree people are prematurely freaking out.
I agree with this, but the fact that we are playing below our potential still has me disappointed in the coaching job this season.
It's a little more disappointing when you put it in the context of the program as a whole. We look to be heading into a major rebuild job next year. It's fair to say that most fans have low expectations for next year and are expecting a quiet March. That makes playing up to our potential this season even more important, in my opinion.
I'm confused by all this talk about Iowa State. I thought this thread was about UConn. [jimlad]
Actually that was what I was going to say about Okie State at home. They are playing so much better and getting wins now than when we won there. Think they'll be all we can handle, but then everyone is. I appreciate the RELAX posts and optimism, but then I remember how our home wins to Tech and Kstate were actually scary wins. Still don't see how people can determine the team giving subpar efforts, tho. Imagine nobody wants to get in this tournament and give more than our seniors do.
Could ISU have its first 4 game losing streak since Fred's first year when they lost a crap ton in a row? Also this will likely be the first 3 game losing streak since the Kane/Ejim team.
K-State could very easily be in a 6 game losing streak by the time we visit Manhattan.
Made some edits as I wasn't too clear in the original post.
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If ISU is 17-13 (9-9) and it places 4th in B12 with a #56 RPI as currently projected- I have little confidence.
If ISU is 18-12 then I am not too worried. Despite the poor projected RPI, I think the NCAA selection committee would value the difficultly of the B12 and finishing 4th. Plus advanced ratings (KenPom, Sagarin, etc.) will be much more favorable than probably any RPI ranking ISU will get this year.
Exactly my sentiment. 9-9 17-13 and barring a good Big XII tourney, we're looking squarely at an NIT bid. The good news? A home game in the NIT is virtual lock.
not to sound wrong , but why is CSP always have his tongue out . Is there medial problem?
For the first 5 big 12 games, and for over 2/3 of each current game, the tallest player on the court for Iowa St is 6-5. I think 13-8 is pretty close to where they should be. Maybe bad luck they didn't get at least one of the Gonzaga, Cincinnati, or Baylor. But that's about it.
IMO, the thing missing from our resume is a signature win. We still have chances with KU/Baylor/wVU on the schedule. It will need to be a night where we hit a lot of 3's but we've been close so many times this year. 9/9 and a big win we're in. Additionally, Young has got to play more. We have to have (or develop) an inside presence. If we don't, even if we make the tournament, it's one and done at best.
I would even give some thought to parking Burton inside more to have him use his post game though it would be better to have someone that can pass out of a double team to the wing.
I would even give some thought to parking Burton inside more to have him use his post game though it would be better to have someone that can pass out of a double team to the wing.
Thanks to everyone for the debate. Some thoughts to your thoughts below:
Whoa, getting excited there. Please point to where I stated fans should expect ISU to be a blue blood. "Expecting" versus "hoping" might be where we diverge, due to the inherent advantages that other Big 12 teams enjoy (cough$$$$$cough).
I had no expectations for the season, given ISU lost three pro players in the front court, including Niang who will get his jersey retired, and the two top replacements didn't make it.
With the "loss" of five players in one off season, leaving a few good guards, I still hoped for ISU to go to the tournament, but I didn't expect it. With that said, when dialed in, the team has been close in many top 25 games and they could still make noise yet!
Some other writing projects, but the answer is always Jack Trice stuff.
Of course not. I agree that if ISU can keep a coach for more than five years, a Wisconsin-type run could be possible.
Yep. IMO team is inconsistent, but players have the potential to go on a hot run.
Yeah, yikes to Oklahoma.
I made no argument about this year, just shared some facts and wanted to point out that even the title teams miss the tournament from time to time in the midst of their successes. As far as this season, the jury is still out and I can't pass judgment yet. Maybe ISU wins the rest of their games? Who knows.
Look at what UConn is dealing with--and they have more "talent" on their team. Perhaps Prohm is doing a better coaching job than fans realize? I can't say for sure.
It makes perfect sense if you consider that Malou and Lard didn't make it this year. Frankly, I'm shocked Naz has played as well as he has, considering a double hip surgery can end careers.
Whoa, getting excited there. Please point to where I stated fans should expect ISU to be a blue blood. "Expecting" versus "hoping" might be where we diverge, due to the inherent advantages that other Big 12 teams enjoy (cough$$$$$cough).
I had no expectations for the season, given ISU lost three pro players in the front court, including Niang who will get his jersey retired, and the two top replacements didn't make it.
With the "loss" of five players in one off season, leaving a few good guards, I still hoped for ISU to go to the tournament, but I didn't expect it. With that said, when dialed in, the team has been close in many top 25 games and they could still make noise yet!
Some other writing projects, but the answer is always Jack Trice stuff.
Of course not. I agree that if ISU can keep a coach for more than five years, a Wisconsin-type run could be possible.
Yep. IMO team is inconsistent, but players have the potential to go on a hot run.
Yeah, yikes to Oklahoma.
I made no argument about this year, just shared some facts and wanted to point out that even the title teams miss the tournament from time to time in the midst of their successes. As far as this season, the jury is still out and I can't pass judgment yet. Maybe ISU wins the rest of their games? Who knows.
Look at what UConn is dealing with--and they have more "talent" on their team. Perhaps Prohm is doing a better coaching job than fans realize? I can't say for sure.
It makes perfect sense if you consider that Malou and Lard didn't make it this year. Frankly, I'm shocked Naz has played as well as he has, considering a double hip surgery can end careers.
