Briles Out

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Maybe players should get a little more back to choosing where they want to be, where they want to go to school rather than it being all about the coaches.

Ideally yes. But on both sides of the equation, those days are gone. Even so, why are the kids the only ones truly expected to hold that standard?
 

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What if the rule went the other way? Hold the coach to the same standard as the student athlete? If a coach wants to leave for another job at an NCAA school, the coach has to sit out a year. Maybe he's able to recruit, and take part in practices, but not allowed to participate on game day? It sounds pretty ludicrous, but it's the same standard that student athletes are held to.

I guess in most states a school would have the right to put a non-compete clause in a contract. But outside of the top jobs in the country that would turn away candidates that want to get those top jobs someday.
 

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Baylor Gon Baylor

More like America Gon America, this player was out of line but so was the person who tweeted directly at him, after (regardless of what the situation is) his HC, that he respects and cares about was fired. It's easy for us to sit here and judge everyone at Baylor but its a much different situation for the players. These are people they care about, people they have been through battles with, basically their family. It was totally out of line to tweet this directly to a player. It's a low life move, at a very inappropriate time, its tough to expect a college kid going through a life altering situation to respond respectfully when someone is purposely attacking them.
 
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Knowing what you know? Are you serious?

I didn't read the "summary" of the Pepper-Hamilton report, but it sounds like there is more hard/direct evidence in the investigation - so no, I probably don't know enough.
I only heard of one incident that went to trial - the Boise St transfer, but I'm not aware of any other violent offenses that charges, particularly those from rapes, went to trial, so I assume that will be reported when the P-H investigation is released.
I'm surprised if there is wide-spread coverup, they name the DC and the interim coach.
 
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Aren't you the same guy who had the quote from Dr. Geoffroy about integrity (from the LE firing) in your signature?

Yes, that's me and thanks for remembering my sig line; that's fulfilling my purpose of keeping it.

You didn't notice from my hypothetical scenario I "hedged" my opinion sufficiently so if JP ever did "explore" the situation he would have sufficient evidence to back off before making a wrong decision. Also, have you noticed many of the other posters that followed stating Briles will end up in another college job?
 

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I'm just saying, *IF* (before Campbell hire) this was a year ago, I would have been OK with JP "exploring" the opportunity for Briles to Ames

Well now it is obvious that you havent looked at the Pepper Hamilton report. I would be appalled if the ISU job was open right now and JP was considering Briles for it at this point.
 

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To regain some semblance of integrity ( and very little I presume ) the BOR has to terminate every coach, manager,trainer, medical specialist and intern within the FB program. They all knew or suspected as those kind of things get passed around like office cooler gossip by the "people in the know"! There are always those types who crave attention to "spill the awful truth" so they become popular in the ugly sense of that word. Leaving the infection in place to corrupt the program again will do nothing to disperse the "win at all costs" mentality and the existent rape culture that was allowed to fester and permeate the athletic department. The ridiculous notion to retain the DC as HC is BU's attempt to hold onto their recruits and hope some of the AB style rubbed off on Bennett. I seem to remember this guy as a cancer at ISU in days gone by - not a trustworthy type to be sure. Sadly BU will go the way of Pedophile U and the sanctions ( if any ) will be light and the lamenting of the AB fanatics will override the horror because pride goeth before the fall! This has given me new respect for the coaches who take a stance and kick players who are morally bankrupt and detriments to society! Baylor needs to clean house or forever allow the stench of it's failure to overshadow the future.
 

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To regain some semblance of integrity ( and very little I presume ) the BOR has to terminate every coach, manager,trainer, medical specialist and intern within the FB program. They all knew or suspected as those kind of things get passed around like office cooler gossip by the "people in the know"! There are always those types who crave attention to "spill the awful truth" so they become popular in the ugly sense of that word. Leaving the infection in place to corrupt the program again will do nothing to disperse the "win at all costs" mentality and the existent rape culture that was allowed to fester and permeate the athletic department. The ridiculous notion to retain the DC as HC is BU's attempt to hold onto their recruits and hope some of the AB style rubbed off on Bennett. I seem to remember this guy as a cancer at ISU in days gone by - not a trustworthy type to be sure. Sadly BU will go the way of Pedophile U and the sanctions ( if any ) will be light and the lamenting of the AB fanatics will override the horror because pride goeth before the fall! This has given me new respect for the coaches who take a stance and kick players who are morally bankrupt and detriments to society! Baylor needs to clean house or forever allow the stench of it's failure to overshadow the future.

I agree 100% Briles is obviously a guilty party but this thing went way above his head, honestly, probably above anyone at the University. It takes a lot of outside help from donors,local officials, etc to hide this kind of stuff. Right now it seems like Baylor is letting the Briles family take all the blame for what was a systematic coverup. Everyone who had anything to do with the program, even the athletic department and university needs to be gone.
 

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Well now it is obvious that you havent looked at the Pepper Hamilton report. I would be appalled if the ISU job was open right now and JP was considering Briles for it at this point.

Has it been released - or just the summary? I'm glad there are other Cyclones who consider character an important attribute for a coach; I wouldn't want it any other way and it's obvious JP uses it as a metric in job searches.

Would it surprise you if Briles ends up as a D1 HC someday?
 

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Has it been released - or just the summary? I'm glad there are other Cyclones who consider character an important attribute for a coach; I wouldn't want it any other way and it's obvious JP uses it as a metric in job searches.

Would it surprise you if Briles ends up as a D1 HC someday?

No it wouldn't. He may have to start off at a low or mid-major after a few years, but if you are good it seems they will forgive just about anything.
 

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Has it been released - or just the summary? I'm glad there are other Cyclones who consider character an important attribute for a coach; I wouldn't want it any other way and it's obvious JP uses it as a metric in job searches.

Would it surprise you if Briles ends up as a D1 HC someday?
Sadly, it would surprise me if he doesn't.
 

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I didn't read the "summary" of the Pepper-Hamilton report, but it sounds like there is more hard/direct evidence in the investigation - so no, I probably don't know enough.
I only heard of one incident that went to trial - the Boise St transfer, but I'm not aware of any other violent offenses that charges, particularly those from rapes, went to trial, so I assume that will be reported when the P-H investigation is released.
I'm surprised if there is wide-spread coverup, they name the DC and the interim coach.

Only 1 incident that went to trial IS the problem (actually I think it was two---the Penn State transfer and the Boise State transfer)....the biggest issue for me isn't that Briles gave a couple of players second chances. It he (and presumably other coaches and administrators) tired to be the law and convince women not to go to the police. They were trying to handle things in house. That's the problem.

As far as Briles getting another job, I think everyone has to remember that this isn't an NCAA issue. Big time schools don't give a **** if a coach is accused of paying players or cheating in recruiting. There is a big focus on the federal level on sexual assaults on college campuses. The Feds are the ones interested in this type of thing, and I assume there are funding issues, etc. Therefore, I think college presidents will be very hesitant to hire him for a while.