Big XII to add schools within days?
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They got Oregon in year 1. UW in year 3. They’ve been shut out 4 years and counting. They finished last season with 1 team ranked at #21. ISU, Cincy, Oklahoma St and BYU all finished higher.
In 5 years, the BigXII will have 2-3 power brands. The vacuum will pull up a couple teams that are winning so long as the conference stays a power 5 league.
Ok. You still have to play someone who's halfway decent. The ACC is absolute dogsh*t. And then we have the big 10 west.
Theyre worried about budget and recruiting banners, two things in which perception does matter most.
The Big 12 wisely added programs that have so much local talent they punch above their perception, and BYU which in terms of branding is nearly a power. Given perception is rooted in history, it won’t be too long then that the Big 12 has narrowed the gap. Particularly as artifacts of last century fade
No team that does that are going to be ranked in the top 10 save for an OSU or Alabama type recruiting class.
If the goal of puppet masters really was 4 conferences they are doing it stupidly rather than finding places in the Pac, Big Ten and ACC for the R8.
Scott Frost is proving every single day that UCF is set up to win 17 billion times more than Nebraska is.
The rise of the SEC brand and other FL programs has definitely hurt Miami. They used to have it much easier
I can't agree with Miami. Also, according to ESPN Clemson is still only a regional brand. (FWIW, I disagree and think Clemson is absolutely a national brand) The rest of the list looks about right.
Cincy being in the top 10 supports that. As does the fact Iowa St would be similarly ranked with the personnel losses you mentioned regardless of conference. I noticed you couldn’t counter that.
but I should amend my statement, iowa St’s perception with respect to the conference does matter, and it will be easier without OU. Do you think ISU with the personnel losses, ISU has a better chance to be ranked in the Big 12 3.0 or facing an SEC schedule?
You are struggling with what’s being discussed. I’ve never claimed they replace the “value”. They do replace the football. Have fun with your budget banners!
CMC has already turned down rumored $8 million/year jobs. A budget of 3 million/year less isn’t forcing him out. A reduction in football would. Having an auto while adding 4 quality programs offsets losing OuT in the football sense. It’s arguably more appealing to someone looking to build something special at Iowa St
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I think that list is pretty dynamic -- especially nowadays when people have such short memories.
USC hasn't been competitive nationally in years. Oregon was awful forever before Nike poured money in.
Ohio State is rolling now and has been the most consistently competitive program of maybe anybody on the list. Penn State is still good, but can't seem to make it over the hump, and Michigan has struggled for a decade plus.
Alabama is on a historic roll right now, obviously, but they had a long period there before Saban showed up when they were thoroughly average in the SEC. Make this list ten years ago, and you would have almost certainly put Tennessee, Florida State, and Nebraska on this list, and all three of them are aggressively mediocre now.
Hard to disagree with Oklahoma, LSU, and UGA right now, and probably Florida, too, but even these programs have had their ups and downs. Texas has not been in the hunt for a national title since Colt McCoy.
Clemson yes. Miami? Maybe. Florida State drove into a ditch. But even Clemson is a pretty recent phenomenon.
Notre Dame is obviously always going to be up there, like it or not.
Give it 10+ years and everything will change. This list now would look very different than it did in 2005.
Yeah there are programs on the cusp of national brand. I think Miami is there because of its history and the fact that it hasn't completely nosedived as a program. But I get opinions vary on them. Completely disagree with SECESPN about Clemson being a regional brand, that's ridiculous.
This is the hope. As much as I hate to admit it, Houston & UCF are well positioned to do so.
Speaking of Miami, something my mind always goes back to is how they almost scrapped their football program in the 70s. Then they quickly became a juggernaut for two decades.
UCF is a great upside addition. All they really need is for FSU and Miami to have sustained lack of success and one Matt Campbell type who wants to build a long term winner. The first is happening as we speak, now they just need to find the coach.
Cincinnati is in a similar situation but Ohio State hasn't had back to back losing seasons in almost 100 years and have only had like 5 losing seasons since 1925. I looked it up because I was curious and holy hell is that ridiculous.
The state of Ohio could use another Power 5 program. It's ridiculous the Buckeyes get it all to themselves.
UCF is a great spot (so was USF) to become equitable locally. more than Cincy imo
FL is much more transient and new than Ohio. OSU and the BIG have such a generational presence in Ohio.
FSU might as well be in Bama to much of the state. UCF is huge and quickly gaining equal critical mass. It’s a little unfortunate it wasn’t USF that blew up as overall they’re much closer to becoming FSU equal (endowment growth, admissions, rankings).
Historically speaking, the two AAC Florida schools are that much more “new money” than Miami and FSU imo.
Honestly what is so impressive about cinci is that they continue to claw back to being ranked even though their coach gets poached every few years. They lost dantonio to MSU, Kelly to Notre Dame, and Jones to Tenn all in the same decade. Fickell is probably the second hottest coaching candidate after CMC. If they can keep their coaches and staff in the new Big12 they could make some real noise and if you keep CMC no reason you can't have two top ranked teams consistently.
Also from the rumors I have heard your payout is going to be around 30-35mil per team from media deals. Not sure if that includes the buyout money or not though. With how few options the Pac12 has it is very possible that you could raid them in a couple years and grab the Arizona schools as well.
It will be really interesting to see what happens to "lil ole Clemson" when Dabo ever calls it quits or heads to the NFL. They were absolutely not a national program before then. They've been so good for a long time under Dabo that they seem like they've elevated themselves, but when he leaves they aren't contending for national titles every year I think they go back to being a good program with good regional interest and marginal national interest.
There are simply so few schools that are recession-proof. No matter what kind of program a coach builds, you are always one bad hire away from sucking. The thing is that some schools have the resources and lack of patience to pull the trigger and make a change immediately (ask Luke Fickell). I've seen Mike Shula and Mike DuBose at Alabama, John Blake at OU, WIllingham and Davie at ND, RichRod and Hoke at Michigan, Taggart and Norvell at FSU, Strong at UT, the list goes on.
If Dabo leaves while Clemson is in the midst of this horrible media contract, they could find themselves in a harder spot than people think.
Not sure if this has been posted, but the financial situation doesn't appear to be quite as grim as some expect (if their numbers are correct). And I don't think this accounts for any exit fees, etc.
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