That's what Conditt and Jones do because they don't have the ability to turn, put the ball on the floor, and drive to the hoop. They also can't pop out to shoot. The offense could be so much more with just some versatility at the position.
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I don't see any potential with Jones. He is what he is.
Not to mention look at the stats in the Big 12. Look at leading scorers and even rebounders. The league is pretty much all guards and Williams from TTU. Williams is a first team guy, but after that there's a huge dropoff. If you're talking about who the best 10-15 guys are in the league, they are all guards except one.
Looks like he speeds a decent amount and they served a search warrant back in June 2021.
Yeah, that is the last thing I remember is the search warrant but then I didn't ever see him charged with anything.
I will repeat what I said a few weeks ago. Conditt is the most underrated player on the team and maybe in the Big 12. He is 6th on the team in minutes per game (19.2), but look where he rates in terms of key team stats:
PPG 5.1. - 7th (virtually tied for 6th)
RPG 3.9 - 2nd
APG 2.0 - 2nd
BPG 0.9 - 1st
TO 1.3 - 3rd lowest among top 6 in MPG
FG% 66% - 1st by a mile
PPG 5.1. - 7th (virtually tied for 6th)
RPG 3.9 - 2nd
APG 2.0 - 2nd
BPG 0.9 - 1st
TO 1.3 - 3rd lowest among top 6 in MPG
FG% 66% - 1st by a mile
This might be a sign of the end of the season. Team issues don't get solved by taking them to the internet.
Then Torvik is an idiot. Ejim was a wing that played small ball 4.
And they are a completely guard dominant team. Those big guys for K State you are dreaming about aren't very good.
Their top four bigs combine to average 16.1 and 9.4
For comparison, Conditt, Enaruna, Kunz and Jones combine to average 19.7 and 13.2
I would argue Ejim was an undersized center more than anything else.
I love Rob's effort and appreciate how hard he works out there, but his numbers are really bad this year, far worse than Conditt's in most areas.
Neither guy has taken a 3 (not surprising) but George is shooting 66% from the field on the year on more shots than Rob at 43%. True shooting numbers (which account for 3's and free throws) George leads the team with 67%. It's pretty common that a center will do so, so that's not shocking. But Rob is at 41% which is hard to fathom given how close his attempts come. Only Kalscheur is close to Rob in this respect at 43%, and Gabe takes a lot more shots from distance. George is also making free throws at almost twice the rate on not quite double the attempts, Conditt at 66% on 47 attempts, Jones at 34.5% on 29. You are correct that Rob seems a bit more aggressive looking for his shot, as he does take shots at a slightly higher rate than George.
Now, Rob does compete hard on the boards, and has a higher defensive rebounding rate than George, but George has higher rates on offense and combined. George does turn the ball over more frequently, but he also has a much higher assist rate. Defensively, they have almost exactly the same block and steal rates.
As for stats that attempt to measure overall performance, take these with a grain of salt. It's very hard, if not impossible, to quantify what "good defense" is. So these will do a better job of showing the impact on offense and attempt to for defense, but I don't think they do a great job on that end. George is one of 4 players who have played all year on the roster with a Player Efficiency Rate above average (average is always exactly 15). Brockington is unsurprisingly leading the team in this metric at 20.8, with George in second at 17.6. Rob is at 8.7, beating out only Gabe. Win Shares is another attempt at the same thing, as is BPM. Both have George as a far superior option, but again, these are weighted towards the offensive end.
I guess I just don't see the two as that far apart on the defensive end, and George has been much, much better on offense this year.
(all stats come from here, and I believe the site does have breakdowns for how everything is calcutlated)
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Is that a serious question? He's better in every category.
But just think about this:
Last year he had 7 assists, 28 turnovers and 6 steals on the season
This year he has 53 assists, 35 turnovers and 13 steals (in more games and more minutes)
(his FG% went from 40% to 66% too)
So, yeah, he's better, but it's understandable to forget just how horrid he and the team were last year
That is his dad. Still not ideal for parents to be overly critical on twitter. To his credit, he has been consistently vocal the past 4 years, and critical of his son on occasion.
And it’s not like he’s wrong.
This is what happens when you put a big on the high post that can’t shoot or drive. They crowd him because he’s one dimensional. It’s kind of unfair to George to be honest. Unless the defense falls asleep on a back cut all you get is that curl or handoff. And when you take don’t have to respect shooters or Brockingtons right hand you can realy jam things up defensively. So Criticism of George should be tempered accordingly.
Someone like Jacobsen would have been much more effective in that spot.
Yeah I think he's been a serviceable big man as long as he doesn't pick up a couple cheap fouls
1) Conditt is having a great year, and it warms my heart to see him have success here. The dude has earned it.
2) Basketball has changed. Pace and space and the 3pt revolution has really devalued the traditional big. I’d rather have the versatility of a bunch of long, athletic wings. In my mind, the best way to defend against a dude like Lampkin is to run him off the floor.
3) The post-up game is dead. It’s physically demanding, takes time to learn, and everyone would rather shoot 3s. In the era of no-middle defenses, it’s also really effective… at creating live-ball turnovers.
4) Everyone complaining about where the 5 initiates offense: given the make-up of this team, what would you prefer? There aren’t enough dangerous shooters to spread the defense, and we don’t have playmakers that can consistently beat their man one-on-one. A big in the dunkers spot puts a help defender at the rim. Defender will drop on the high screen because the 5 isn’t a threat to drive or shoot. I don’t always love the offense, but I think it’s the best way to maximize ISU’s skill set, and I think they’ve continued to add wrinkles (dribble hand-off vs. being stationary) throughout the year.
2) Basketball has changed. Pace and space and the 3pt revolution has really devalued the traditional big. I’d rather have the versatility of a bunch of long, athletic wings. In my mind, the best way to defend against a dude like Lampkin is to run him off the floor.
3) The post-up game is dead. It’s physically demanding, takes time to learn, and everyone would rather shoot 3s. In the era of no-middle defenses, it’s also really effective… at creating live-ball turnovers.
4) Everyone complaining about where the 5 initiates offense: given the make-up of this team, what would you prefer? There aren’t enough dangerous shooters to spread the defense, and we don’t have playmakers that can consistently beat their man one-on-one. A big in the dunkers spot puts a help defender at the rim. Defender will drop on the high screen because the 5 isn’t a threat to drive or shoot. I don’t always love the offense, but I think it’s the best way to maximize ISU’s skill set, and I think they’ve continued to add wrinkles (dribble hand-off vs. being stationary) throughout the year.
