B12 Unbalanced Schedules (from the Williams & Blum conversation)

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I thought one interesting way to see which teams in the conference got the hardest / easiest conference schedules (based on the Williams & Blum conversation today) would be to look at the ESPN BPI rankings.

JP must have done something to piss off Brett Yormark... the remaining B12 schedules are only the 18 conference games for each team except Oklahoma State who plays Chicago St tonight. After tonight's game, these to go strength of schedule rankings will be based only on the 18 game B12 conference schedules for each team (I will update tomorrow).

ISU got one of (if not the hardest) football schedules and, based on BPI at least, the hardest basketball schedule in the conference.

One other interesting note... BYU has the 14th hardest remaining schedule in the B12.... According to BPI at least, they also have the 14th hardest remaining schedule nationally! The B12 has the 14 hardest remaining schedules in the country based on this metric.

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I also sorted the teams based on their chance to win the conference (again, based on BPI).. BPI loves Houston, hates Kansas. They have ISU as the 2nd highest ranked team in the league (#4 in the country). But BYU with the easiest B12 schedule and ranked 3rd in the conference (#10 in the country) has a slightly better chance to win the conference based on BPI. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

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credit to Baylor for scheduling tough in the non-con given they knew what was coming down the pike in big 12 play
 

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Crazy that BPI has ISU projected 1.5 more conference wins than KU, yet has ISU as the toughest conference schedule
 
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I'm not betting against Bill Self but their core four staying injury free is especially important. Harris, McCullar, Adams, and Dickinson all are playing 31+ minutes per game right now. I'm sure Bill would like a do over if he was being blunt with you about some of his portal adds last spring.
 

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I'm not betting against Bill Self but their core four staying injury free is especially important. Harris, McCullar, Adams, and Dickinson all are playing 31+ minutes per game right now. I'm sure Bill would like a do over if he was being blunt with you about some of his portal adds last spring.
Yes. KU's most athletic player, probably the best at beating someone on the dribble and getting to the basket ended up a rapist and off the team. That was a huge loss. Plus Timberlake was brought in as a 3 point specialist and he can't make a shot. Furphy, Jackson & McDowell are 3 freshman that are improving. They will have to keep getting better for KU to make a run. Right now I would have Houston as the best team. Those guys are men.
 
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I'm not betting against Bill Self but their core four staying injury free is especially important. Harris, McCullar, Adams, and Dickinson all are playing 31+ minutes per game right now. I'm sure Bill would like a do over if he was being blunt with you about some of his portal adds last spring.
  • timberlake has been an absolute whiff for them
  • the whole arterio morris deal
  • parker braun was always a whatever depth piece
  • got your moneys worth out of dickinson so far yea
 
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Using average Net Rankings, looks like Okie State has the toughest schedule. Makes sense that bad teams would have the hardest schedule, as they get one less tomato can to play.

TeamOpp Avg Rank
Oklahoma State42
West Virginia46
Baylor47
Iowa State48
Houston49
UCF50
Oklahoma51
Texas51
Kansas State52
TCU52
Cincinnati54
Kansas54
Texas Tech54
BYU57
 

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Big 12 Regular Season Champion Odds per Draft Kings

Houston +190
Kansas +290
BYU +600
Baylor +700
Iowa State +1300
Oklahoma +1400
Texas +1500
TCU +1600
Texas Tech +3000
KState +4000
Cincy +5000
Ok State +10000
WVU +15000
UCF +20000

My takeaway there is Vegas is buying BYU's strong start and not so much buying Oklahoma's. They also view KState and Cincy as teams with nice records at the moment who are about to be in for a rough ride.

Like Blum and CW said, sign me up for 5th right now. I'll set the O/U at 8 Big 12 teams making the tourney.
I think OU's wins against USC and Iowa were initially thought to be good wins but time has proven them not to be all that great
 

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Updated now that all teams only have their 18 B12 games remaining (Oklahoma State played Chicago St last night). So, they went from 13th to 5th. Others really didn't change much.

I agree with many of the posts... KU is WAY undervalued by this metric. I think Houston is WAY over valued as well. I would take a 10 win B12 season right now and see what happens in the post season. Regardless of how accurate BPI is - one thing is for sure it is going to be a brutal schedule the rest of the way.

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I think OU's wins against USC and Iowa were initially thought to be good wins but time has proven them not to be all that great
They also caught Arkansas early, and that win looks better than it should right now. However, I believe the Razorbacks will get their act together, making that win will look good on OU's resume at the end of the year.
 

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I might disagree in that theory a bit. In terms of maximizing overall W-L it might actually be better for some teams to flush away games that would be likely to be losses home or away on the road, and get as many of the close to 50\50 games at home. Now, if you're at the level where the top teams are the 50\50 games, then yes, you want as many of those at home as possible.
 

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Big 12 Regular Season Champion Odds per Draft Kings

Houston +190
Kansas +290
BYU +600
Baylor +700
Iowa State +1300
Oklahoma +1400
Texas +1500
TCU +1600
Texas Tech +3000
KState +4000
Cincy +5000
Ok State +10000
WVU +15000
UCF +20000

My takeaway there is Vegas is buying BYU's strong start and not so much buying Oklahoma's. They also view KState and Cincy as teams with nice records at the moment who are about to be in for a rough ride.

Like Blum and CW said, sign me up for 5th right now. I'll set the O/U at 8 Big 12 teams making the tourney.
This is an interesting view too... I took a look at the BYU vs. ISU schedules since those were ranked #1 and #14 by BPI.

If you break down the B12 into tiers based on betting odds like this:

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Then here is a compare of the two schedules:

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Basically, ISU plays two more games vs. tier 1 (understandable that it is more since BYU is in Tier 1) and BYU plays 2 more against Tier 4 teams.

BYU plays 5 out of a max 6 vs. T4. Then they play and 9 out of a max 14 vs. T1&2. Also, of the 9 TIer 1&2 games, 5 are at home, 4 are away.

We play the min 3 (-2) out of a possible 6 Tier 4 games. We then play 11 (+2) out of a max 14 tier 1 & 2 games. Also, of the 11 Tier 1 & 2 games, only 5 are home, 6 are away.

So, I think that this explains the perceived gap in SOS.... even if it is a different metric than BPI.
 
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Why does everyone think this schedule is so daunting? It might technically be tough according to computer metrics buts nothing compared to the last few years with the true round Robin in the conference.

We only play Kansas once. Texas and K-State aren't as good as they were last year. West Virginia, Tech, and Oklahoma State look alot worse. Oklahoma and BYU are frauds.

Go look at BYU, unless they just got an entire new team, coaching staff, and program, how do they go from finishing 3rd or 4th on a good year in the WCC to all of a sudden being a Big 12 powerhouse? What exactly has Oklahoma done with Moser so far that shows they are a serious contender?

You also have a clear bottom this year with West Virginia, UCF, and maybe Cincinnati, something that hasn't happened probably since we were the bottom feeders with Prohm.
 

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At the time of schedule release, we had one of the easiest projected schedules. Oklahoma and BYU being way better than expected really flipped that. And we only get the 3 worst teams once - West Virginia, UCF, Oklahoma St.
Maybe not the worst thing given we need some big wins
 

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Why does everyone think this schedule is so daunting? It might technically be tough according to computer metrics buts nothing compared to the last few years with the true round Robin in the conference.

We only play Kansas once. Texas and K-State aren't as good as they were last year. West Virginia, Tech, and Oklahoma State look alot worse. Oklahoma and BYU are frauds.

Go look at BYU, unless they just got an entire new team, coaching staff, and program, how do they go from finishing 3rd or 4th on a good year in the WCC to all of a sudden being a Big 12 powerhouse? What exactly has Oklahoma done with Moser so far that shows they are a serious contender?

You also have a clear bottom this year with West Virginia, UCF, and maybe Cincinnati, something that hasn't happened probably since we were the bottom feeders with Prohm.
I agree with this. While the first 9 games are tougher than the overall schedule last year, we get a break in the last half. We get 5 winnable games at home, and by the time we have to go to Cincinnati and UCF, they'll be beat down by conference play. I'm not going to panic if we're 3-6 at the halfway point, because I think 7-2 in the last half is very do-able.
 

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I know there has been some discussion of the Big 12 doing the same thing with the tournament.
 

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