All In Or Opt Out

[Rabbuk]

We had 5 wins by 13+ points and wins vs UNI and OSU. Breece went 21 carries for 70 yards vs OSU. We probably still go 7-5 or 6-6 without Breece.

Breece pretty much idiot proofed the job manning had to do. I'm going to go ahead and say the offense looks 60% as good without him.

 

[JUKEBOX]

This team wouldn't have been bowl eligible this year without Breece.

I don't know if that's true or not, but the answer was in my own hypothetical situation if "my son was a player." In general, I would advise them to go to the professional league as soon as possible (if that was an option available to them) since it reduces risk, maximizes the years they could play professionally, and they can earn a good amount of money (and can always go back to college to finish their degree if they need to). Obviously there may be scenarios to play another year if there's a loaded draft or something, but that would be my general advice.

 

[Cyhops]

For a moment there I thought I was Hawkeye Report or whatever the hell they call their site.

Get over the p*ssing and moaning about who opted out. I laugh at -- wait, I spit on posters -- when they write something like "I am loyal to Iowa State and will always cheer for the Cyclones" and then they turn around and bash the players who opted out -- questioning the player's loyalty to Iowa State.

You're sensitive. Surprised you didn't use nay in place of wait in your sermon .

But yes I can support the program and not agree with a players choice to opt out. Can you accept a different viewpoint or do you spit on everyone you disagree with?

 

[jcyclonee]

We're all a little upset. Time to wipe away your tears and move on.

 

[Gunnerclone]

It’s the same story since the beginning of time. Everything is politics and everything is money. If you don’t think it is, you’re not living life being true to yourself.

 

[JM4CY]

We're all a little upset. Time to wipe away your tears and move on.

I want to be that tissue.

 

[CYEATHAWK]

It's different. Our coach has turned down borderline blue bloods. Our fans are really supportive given the overall history of the program.

I'm not being critical.......just asking why now? If money is the primary concern, once the teams goals were shot after TTU, exactly what was to gain playing in some meaningless conference games? If it's for fans, teammates......all those things of a 5 star "culture", are those not still valid at a bowl game? Was the risk of getting injured and losing millions less against TCU than Clemson? If the flip side to that is it doesn't matter if the fans, the school or most important OTHER PLAYERS agree with them.....then Tornado is correct......that's fine, but let's drop the "5 star culture" pose.

 

[PSYclone22]

Breece pretty much idiot proofed the job manning had to do. I'm going to go ahead and say the offense looks 60% as good without him.

The other RBs averaged 4.7 per carry to Breece's 5.9.

If we replace his carries with their carries we get 300 less yards for the season, about 23 per game, taking us from 423 yards per game to 400 yards per game.

I don't think Manning is good, I think Breece is great, but saying we wouldn't be a bowl team without Breece is wrong.

 

[JP4CY]

I'm not being critical.......just asking why now? If money is the primary concern, once the teams goals were shot after TTU, exactly what was to gain playing in some meaningless conference games? If it's for fans, teammates......all those things of a 5 star "culture", are those not still valid at a bowl game? Was the risk of getting injured and losing millions less against TCU than Clemson? If the flip side to that is it doesn't matter if the fans, the school or most important OTHER PLAYERS agree with them.....then Tornado is correct......that's fine, but let's drop the "5 star culture" pose.

LOL

 

[Tornado man]

I guess buying tickets, cyclone club and gridiron donations and other expenses to attend events don't count. I guess you're one of those that sit back and figure someone else can carry the load. Without the average fan support, the program would not exist.

Yeah but you have to realize "fans" are just revenue sources for programs - ISU and everyone else. It's up to you to decide if the money you spend is worth it.

 

[Mr Janny]

Who do you think paid for his years. Yes, PAID.

I love the takes where people think players owe us something. Nothing shows me how little a person gets it more than deciding that an athlete who busted their ass, balanced their studies, and played through injuries still owes the fans something, if they don't go out the way we approve.

 

[JUKEBOX]

I love the takes where people think players owe us something. Nothing shows me how little a person gets it more than deciding that an athlete who busted their ass, balanced their studies, and played through injuries still owes the fans something, if they don't go out the way we approve.

with NIL they might actually start owing us something

 

[CyCrazy]

I love the takes where people think players owe us something. Nothing shows me how little a person gets it more than deciding that an athlete who busted their ass, balanced their studies, and played through injuries still owes the fans something, if they don't go out the way we approve.

The players dont owe fans squat. Be happy for what they gave to us and the program.

 

[Mr Janny]

That's fine and I hope they have an easier pathway to the NFL. My main issue is that sitting out the bowl game is a relatively ineffective way to achieve the goals that they have IMO.

The "IMO" part of your post is the crux of it. Doesn't matter if you don't understand or agree with it. Not your career. Not your life.

 

[Tornado man]

I'm not being critical.......just asking why now? If money is the primary concern, once the teams goals were shot after TTU, exactly what was to gain playing in some meaningless conference games? If it's for fans, teammates......all those things of a 5 star "culture", are those not still valid at a bowl game? Was the risk of getting injured and losing millions less against TCU than Clemson? If the flip side to that is it doesn't matter if the fans, the school or most important OTHER PLAYERS agree with them.....then Tornado is correct......that's fine, but let's drop the "5 star culture" pose.

Your questions are totally spot on - of course 99% of the posters on here are going to support and justify whatever decision a player makes.
For example - if we had no players opt out, then fans would say proudly "Iowa State is different than the others - money is not bigger than the team."

 

[carvers4math]

Do you understand how great of a recruiting tool it is to have Allen Lazard or David Montgomery say "Iowa State" on TV when they are doing NFL introductions on broadcast games?

I also think it is a great recruiting tool to have a coach that has his players’ health and welfare at heart. Mike Rose clearly played several games in a great deal of pain.

 

[JM4CY]

The players dont owe fans squat. Be happy for what they gave to us and the program.

This.

 

[Cyclones_R_GR8]

I want to be that tissue.

 

[Mr Janny]

Agree totally. But please stop with the "5 star culture" nonsense. It's just a recruiting/PR tool - we're no different than others.

Totally agree. It's a soundbite. It's a motivational tool. It's coach speak.

 

[madguy30]

So why should fans be interested in supporting the team at a bowl. Fans opting out is the next step in the process.

Have you seen bowl games over the years?

Have you seen many teams' home fields?