***2025 NFL Season***

[SolterraCyclone]

I doubt teams ever get to this point, but if they were realistic the end of the rookie contract question isn't "is he a franchise QB?" The real question is whether or not he's on track to be a hall of famer. If the answer is no, then you should probably let him walk and start over. You don't win Super Bowls with franchise QBs. You win Super Bowls with Mahomes, Brady and really good QBs on rookie deals. Exceptions are rare (i.e. the cap shuffle with Stafford).

I'm curious to see what happens in GB. On one hand I think Love is in the category of good QB, possibly franchise QB, but not likely a great QB. The flipside to that is I think they have the single best passing game concept guy in the league in LaFleur. Guys get wide ass open so often in that offense, and I have no idea how. So I think they can possibly win big, but I don't think they need Love and that cap hit to do so. They have drafted pretty well, so they have some solid guys on cheap deals.

Yep! That is kind of what I meant by “franchise QB”. Hall-of-famer is a better, tangible definition. I 100% agree with you. If you aren’t 90% sure by end of year 3 this guy has a HOF trajectory, you don’t extend him for big money. You play out his contract and let him walk/pick up 5th year option if a 1st rounder. Or you extend him at a below-market rate. Or you trade him.

Is it easier to win the SB with HOF QBs. No question. But there are other ways to win (maybe not a dynasty, but a SB here and there), and you can’t just magically pluck a HOF from a tree. You either have one or you don’t. And paying a non-HOFer 25% of the cap won’t win you a SB.

 

[Walden4Prez]

 

[3TrueFans]

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58 up there like "paint me like one of your french girls"

 

[Mr Janny]

100% correct. The fallacy to me is this “you NEED a QB to win in the NFL”.

You need a good QB, but you don’t need a franchise QB. Because there’s only ever one or two of those a decade (in the last 20 years, there’s been maybe 4 or 5 of those: Brady, Manning, Mahomes, and maybe Rodgers, Brees).

So if you get one of those, then yes, pay them because they elevate your team. But you can’t just pay a QB $60M a year and make them a franchise QB. Rather than paying a Prescott or Burrow or Watson or Wilson or Herbert 25% of the cap, build your team through D or O-Line and playmakers.

The Ravens won a SB that way, the Broncos won with a severely depleted Manning, the Giants won 2 that way, etc.

How many Super Bowls in the last 20 years have been won by "franchise quarterbacks" and how many were won by journeymen and guys on their rookie deals?
Eli Manning, at the time of one of his super bowls, was on one of the biggest contracts in the league. Same for Roethlisberger. Flacco, Wilson, and Foles are the others over that time period, who won while on the cheap. Stafford is a bit of a different case, in that he was getting paid a ton, but most of it was coming from different team. Those types of situations are pretty rare, though. The majority of modern era super Bowls have been won by franchise quarterbacks or guys that have gone on to become franchise quarterbacks. The journeyman model is nice in theory, but in practice it's massively risky. Absolutely nobody wants to be stuck in quarterback purgatory (Bears, Panthers, Commanders, post-Brady Patriots, etc).
If the risk of a team paying an above average quarterback like a star is consistently making the playoffs more often than not, but not having the talent to win it all, that's not a bad alternative to the team who has to rely on striking gold with mid level guys. Not saying every team would choose that route, but there's plenty of data to support it

 

[SolterraCyclone]

How many Super Bowls in the last 20 years have been won by "franchise quarterbacks" and how many were won by journeymen and guys on their rookie deals?
Eli Manning, at the time of one of his super bowls, was on one of the biggest contracts in the league. Same for Roethlisberger. Flacco, Wilson, and Foles are the others over that time period, who won while on the cheap. Stafford is a bit of a different case, in that he was getting paid a ton, but most of it was coming from different team. Those types of situations are pretty rare, though. The majority of modern era super Bowls have been won by franchise quarterbacks or guys that have gone on to become franchise quarterbacks. The journeyman model is nice in theory, but in practice it's massively risky. Absolutely nobody wants to be stuck in quarterback purgatory (Bears, Panthers, Commanders, post-Brady Patriots, etc).
If the risk of a team paying an above average quarterback like a star is consistently making the playoffs more often than not, but not having the talent to win it all, that's not a bad alternative to the team who has to rely on striking gold with mid level guys. Not saying every team would choose that route, but there's plenty of data to support it

Eli Manning salary in 07-08 was 9% of the team’s cap. In 2011-12 it was 11.75% of the cap. Joe Flacco’s was 6.5% during their Super Bowl Year. Nick Foles was a backup at Philadelphia who got inserted into the lineup when Carson Wentz got hurt.

Look at these QBs’ average salary cap hits now. Joe Burrow 24.5%. Justin Herbert 23%. Lamar Jackson 23%. Jaylen Hurts 23%. Deshaun Watson 22%. Kyler Murray 22%. Dak Prescott 22%. The list goes on.

There is very little data to support paying a QB more than 20% of the salary cap unless your QB is on a hall of fame trajectory. Even the guys on that list who made a SB (Burrow and Hurts) did so on their rookie contracts. Their teams have faltered since the big money kicked in.

 

[Pitt_Clone]

Kirk Herbstreit sounds bored as **** calling this game.

 

[3TrueFans]

Kirk Herbstreit sounds bored as **** calling this game.

Im right there with him.

 

[jdoggivjc]

As far as I'm concerned this new kickoff rule has been a failed experiment. If everything's going to be a touchback why did they even bother changing?

 

[Clonehomer]

As far as I'm concerned this new kickoff rule has been a failed experiment. If everything's going to be a touchback why did they even bother changing?

I think they’ll keep the concept next year but move the touchback line up another 5 yards. Penalize the touchback to the point that coaches don’t want.

 

[somecyguy]

I'm biased because of fantasy football implications.....but c'mon Dallas. You're playing the 29th ranked rushing defense and you have 10 rushing attempts for 46 yards? McCarthy, you're an idiot.

 

[KidSilverhair]

I think they’ll keep the concept next year but move the touchback line up another 5 yards. Penalize the touchback to the point that coaches don’t want.

This is the way. If you don’t want touchbacks you have to disincentivize touchbacks. Make them hurt, then they‘ll give you returnable kickoffs.

 

[Cyclones_R_GR8]

Omaha gets Rams and Bears

 

[NWICY]

126th edition of the border war today.

 

[BigJCy]

Omaha gets Rams and Bears

What Fox game did you want? 49ers?

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[NoCreativity]

Omaha gets Rams and Bears

Purdy isn't even playing in the 12:00 window.

See, how it works is they usually have Midwest teams like the Bears, Vikings, Chiefs, Packers on as much as possible in Iowa.

Sorry that your Bengals vs Panthers showdown isn't going to be televised here.

 

[jdoggivjc]

"Jerry's eating rice..." lol

That Uber Eats commercial with Matthew McConaughey as a tin foil hatter is good.

 

[ClonerJams]

Omaha gets Rams and Bears

At least you get a game. Central Iowa gets the national desk...

 

[Kaner04]

Gonna be a long day for Green Bay with the crap they’re throwing out there at corner

 

[ClonesTwenty1]

Vikings are legit

 

[clonedude]

Gonna be a long day for Green Bay with the crap they’re throwing out there at corner

Agree... GB isn't going to be able to cover any of these Viking WRs today. GB is just a very average team this year I'm afraid. And then they went and got a kicker that wasn't even good enough to kick at ISU and transferred out... great decision Pack!! Narveson is not good. And their previous kicker, Carlson, wasn't good either and they wasted a fairly decent draft pick on him. I miss Mason Crosby!