2018 Taxes

Gunnerclone

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I see you subscribe to the Rave Damsey philosophy

I was listening to Rave today when I was financing a 2019 MasterCraft at the boat dealership. Then I was still listening to him when I went and paid for 8 months of storage on a variable interest rate credit card with no rewards. When I take delivery sometime in April I will have already paid for 3 months of an empty spot in the hangar. That boat is going to look so cool the 4 or 5 times I use it this summer so totally worth it.
 

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How have all of you already filed Taxes? Geez, I don't even think about it until mid-February. Usually file in March sometime. It's not that exciting when you have to cut a check most of the time.

Most people who only have W2s and a mortgage most likely have all their information to do them now. I started getting calls Monday from clients wanting to set up a time with me. Some want to get them done before a 2nd shutdown happens for fear their refund will be delayed if it happens again.
 

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Most people who only have W2s and a mortgage most likely have all their information to do them now. I started getting calls Monday from clients wanting to set up a time with me. Some want to get them done before a 2nd shutdown happens for fear their refund will be delayed if it happens again.
The processing time for refunds is like 2-3 weeks isn't it? Which puts most past the Feb 15 shutdown
 

cyphoon

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Basically from what I can tell so far, my tax situation improves none, and may even be worse than prior years.

I am curious whether your
  • taxable income went up or down between 2017 and 2018
  • whether your effective tax rate went up or down (% of TI you paid to the guvment)
The TurboTax client has reports that show these.

For us, the tax changes resulted in a slight improvement when I ran an estimate in December. Then I decided to do a Roth conversion, which is gong to make comparisons messier.

H
 

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10-ish years ago. Somehow it was always dated 1/31 but not actually mailed until a few days into February. One year we didnt receive them until 2/10. Something about their payroll processor and an agreement they had where ours could be the last ones processed or something like that.

You can get 15 day extensions and sometimes a month.
 

BigBake

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2 kids, married, both of us work full time. Haven't gotten a refund in 10 years. I've tried everything with our paychecks but we still end up paying in every year.
 

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The only way to really know if the tax changes "hurt" or "helped" you would be to compare your total federal taxes paid (not the refund, the actual amount paid) to your gross income as a percentage -- your effective tax rate for federal taxes.

I'm guessing like 1% of people would actually do this.

Exactly. Feel like I'm going to post this on about 3 FB complaints until I just give up.
 

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Still waiting for stuff from Robinhood to do mine, but am planning on trying Credit Karma this year. They claim it's free, even with investment stuff (think I paid like $70 to H&R last year, and ours aren't that complicated..).
 

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The only way to really know if the tax changes "hurt" or "helped" you would be to compare your total federal taxes paid (not the refund, the actual amount paid) to your gross income as a percentage -- your effective tax rate for federal taxes.

I'm guessing like 1% of people would actually do this.
I disagree. You'd need to run your information this year with last year's tax laws to compare numbers. Comparing effective rate doesn't account for changes in income, standard deduction, exemptions, tax tables, etc.
 

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This is a feature, not a bug.

And I don't mean just of the 2018 changes, but income taxes in general. The federal tax code is about the most complicated thing in the universe, and it's by design.

I would vote for anyone who would change it to a flat tax of some kind, even if the rates were higher. I know that's complicated to implement, but at least you wouldn't have to worry about going to jail because you couldn't understand how to apply Schedule RQ-85G. Apologies to all the tax accountants who would have to look for work.

Absolutely by design. There are giveaways on the revenue side and the spending side. You just need to own the right elected officials (and a select few control most of the power). We need a system that can't be corrupted. Just transparent, here's what you pay, and everyone that makes that much pays that much.
 
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We need a system that can't be corrupted. Just transparent, here's what you pay, and everyone that makes that much pays that much.

Nice idea but this system will still have all kinds of issues. You have to define income and once you do that people with the means will still find ways to keep their money out of those things. And lobbying will continue to exist to shrink this definition of income
 

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Nice idea but this system will still have all kinds of issues. You have to define income and once you do that people with the means will still find ways to keep their money out of those things. And lobbying will continue to exist to shrink this definition of income

My preferred method is the Fair Tax, which would replace the income tax, social security/FICA entirely. It's a consumption tax (like a sales tax). Everyone would get their entire check, and it would be up to them as to how much of it they spend/pay. Taxes rebated (in advance) up to the poverty line.

https://fairtax.org/index
 

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Lose exemptions but gain child tax credit should be a wash in a lot of cases...

Now let's say you have 3 kids who are in college....that's going to hurt. No child tax credit and lose $20,000 in exemptions. Ouch.

I honestly don't know enough to say exactly what it is, but my wife is a CPA and she's told me it's going to be worse for us.
 

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So I spent a whole hour of time last night beginning my 2018 federal tax return. Having received my wife and I's W2s I was kind of excited as I considered the prospects of a better tax result for our family in 2018. The increased standard deduction (we were close to the new standard amount with itemization in 2017) and rate decreases are cool but the doing away of the person exemptions sucks. Basically from what I can tell so far, my tax situation improves none, and may even be worse than prior years. That is strange to me because I have heard a lot about the good the tax law changes will bring. Still a lot of detail for me to wade through though so hopefully my initial high level view is off.

Disclaimer: I chose off topic to keep this about 2018 tax return filing and how it goes for others but I am well aware this teters on the edge of a political topic.

The goal of the change in the tax laws was to lower taxes, and reduce withholdings. Most of the time it is hard to determine exactly what happens from year to year because your tax situation changes from year to year. (new job, new kid, one of your kids is too old for the child tax credit, got a raise, etc.) So far the client returns I have seen with little change in their situation are paying less taxes. In the seminar that I attended they said that they thought that taxpayer would in general the adjustments to the withholdings were going to be creating smaller refunds.

I'm sure their will be some out there where it will not work out better, and we will hear all about it on the national news, because we all need to be outraged about something.
 

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The goal of the change in the tax laws was to lower taxes, and reduce withholdings. Most of the time it is hard to determine exactly what happens from year to year because your tax situation changes from year to year. (new job, new kid, one of your kids is too old for the child tax credit, got a raise, etc.) So far the client returns I have seen with little change in their situation are paying less taxes. In the seminar that I attended they said that they thought that taxpayer would in general the adjustments to the withholdings were going to be creating smaller refunds.

I'm sure their will be some out there where it will not work out better, and we will hear all about it on the national news, because we all need to be outraged about something.

Looked at mine and paid about 1600 less in Fed taxes while income went up. I think a lot bank on that once a year deposit and don't realize they kept more money from the start all year.
 

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