This is why I can’t believe any Cyclone fan is against 2 auto bids, even if it means 4 each from the sec and big 10.
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This is why I can’t believe any Cyclone fan is against 2 auto bids, even if it means 4 each from the sec and big 10.
Either the B12 and ACC hold together and push for 2 automatic bids or we are going to end up with a system "gamed" by the SEC and B10 that is going to get us one each most years and two at most, every now and then.
Under the system preposed by the SEC, they would have 10 teams in the playoffs, using the preseason rankings from ESPN. No way that is going to fly, even the B10 would be opposed that going down.
If and ESPN generated metric is going to be used by the committee, then we need to take 2 auto bids.
ESPN will use that to keep the Big 12 out.
ESPN will use that to keep the Big 12 out.
I don’t care. I’m against codifying the B12 and ACC as second rate conferences no matter how strong the conference actually are. Now, if they went to a 3-3-2-2-1, I’d be on board with that.
Exactly. Anything involving a committee will screw the Big 12 just like it has in the past.
I generally am too, but if the playoff field is going to be set by ESPN, then **** that. Take the guarantee because they're going to squeeze us out.
They'll legitimately push the idea that multiple AAC/MWC/Pac Whatever champs are better than the Big 12 champ and that the Big 12 won't even get an auto bid.
I don’t even think it would be gamed. If you look at the last several years of final rankings, the remaining B12 would have had less than 2 more often than having 3+. Take the 2 and hope for more.
The effed up sport of CFB could only come up with multiple AQs for conferences. Only sport on earth that I'm aware of that would have or propose such absurdity.
BTW, this ESPN pre-season ranking would have 3 B12 teams in a 5+11 and is sure as hell is more relevant than FPI which relies primarily on last season's data and has far too much emphasis on Margin of Victory factors (which is why ISU is #45 in that BS due to the numerous close games it had last season).
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I'm good with the 5 AQ format. Honestly, the SEC and B1G is only going to be able to squeeze so much. It's beginning to feel like the national narrative is already shifting away from their duopoly.
The public would riot if they ever tried to prioritize predictive metrics over on-field results in the selection criteria. There's only so much rigging that people will put up with.
They'll still get more teams in then the Big 12 (as they probably should), but I've come to accept that the risk is probably worth taking to prevent a codified caste system. The Big 12 will still have plenty of opportunities to control their own fate on the field, which is honestly the whole point of competitive athletics any way.
The public would riot if they ever tried to prioritize predictive metrics over on-field results in the selection criteria. There's only so much rigging that people will put up with.
They'll still get more teams in then the Big 12 (as they probably should), but I've come to accept that the risk is probably worth taking to prevent a codified caste system. The Big 12 will still have plenty of opportunities to control their own fate on the field, which is honestly the whole point of competitive athletics any way.
Pate had a pod I saw yesterday talking about the 4-4-2-2 format. He generally doesn't want playoff expansion, but he did note that if you do go to 14 or 16, then he actually liked the auto bids, but only if the P2 added what amount to play-in games during CCG week.
So the P2 would have their 1-2 play a CCG but each would get 1 of the 4 conference autobids. But then the 3-6 and 4-5 place teams would also play (at the 3/4 seed field) and the winners would get the remaining 2 autobids. His argument is that is 2 more really good FB games to enjoy, and less arguing about who gets picked - your record gets you to 3/4/5/6 and then you gotta win a game. Essentially, its a play in game and you've expanded the playoffs even more lol.
The ACC and Big12 with only 2 autobids doesn't fit as well. No additional CCG really needed. Maybe you'd make the regular season champ the conf champ, and have 2-3 play for the 2nd bid? IDK. He didn't have much for that. He was more focused on the P2 of course.
Honestly, I don't think any of this CFP format stuff matters much in the face of all the other problems (money, NIL, unlimited free agency, tampering, et al) facing CFB.
So the P2 would have their 1-2 play a CCG but each would get 1 of the 4 conference autobids. But then the 3-6 and 4-5 place teams would also play (at the 3/4 seed field) and the winners would get the remaining 2 autobids. His argument is that is 2 more really good FB games to enjoy, and less arguing about who gets picked - your record gets you to 3/4/5/6 and then you gotta win a game. Essentially, its a play in game and you've expanded the playoffs even more lol.
The ACC and Big12 with only 2 autobids doesn't fit as well. No additional CCG really needed. Maybe you'd make the regular season champ the conf champ, and have 2-3 play for the 2nd bid? IDK. He didn't have much for that. He was more focused on the P2 of course.
Honestly, I don't think any of this CFP format stuff matters much in the face of all the other problems (money, NIL, unlimited free agency, tampering, et al) facing CFB.
Pate has his head up his a$$ on this one. His suggestion would render the SEC, B10, ACC and B12 CCGs as all essentially meaningless relative to playoff qualification.
And regarding your last paragraph, the CFP format certainly does matter given the existing proposals are costing CFP millions of dollars in CFP rights fees as they will even further compete against NFL regular season and playoff games and devalue those rights fees for network bidder(s) and probably make ESPN the sole bidder again at a highly discounted price (which is an absolute travesty given CFB is the 2nd most watched sport in the US).
The Cody Campbell model would have 7 10-team conferences with a 16 team playoff. Instead of CCGs, you have first round CFP games at campus venues the first weekend in December. Work with the NFL to move their Saturday game the 3rd weekend in December to the 2nd weekend instead. Conduct CFP Quarter-Final games at bowl venues the 3rd weekend in December with no NFL conflicts. Play the semis on NYD with the Championship game played on or before the 10th of JAN in prime time on a weeknight. And with Campbell's plan for media rights aggregation, CFP revenues would be maxed out with multiple bidders/networks engaged NFL style.
Ok, can we talk about potential scenario's that could actually happen? It's cute that whoever Cody Campbell is came up with a model for 7 10 team conferences, but that's not the reality we live in or will live in.
Do you think last years Big 10 championship games for the Big 10 and SEC had meaning? If that's the goal, go back to just two teams.
Never say never. NIU beat Notre Dame and Notre Dame won 3 playoff games.
You are correct but given the billions of dollars being left on the table due to TV deals through 2031 and the need for more revenues to fund RevShare and save hundreds of non-rev scholarship opportunities from being axed, the P4 Presidents need to blow everything up now.
All conference championship games are nothing more than a money grab, the same with conference tournaments in basketball. If the regular season champ was that important than they would be getting the auto bid in basketball, not the tournament champion. Follow the money as always, the SEC and B10 are going to use their power to get as many teams into the playoffs as possible, because it brings them more money into the conference. This B10 plan of playing the 3-6 and 4-5 teams an extra game just is more of the same, brings in another round of money to the league, and if the higher seed gets beat, give them more of a reason to push for that team also deserves to be included in the playoff. It all comes down to getting teams in, because that brings in the most money for the league. Again, follow the money
I disagree with this on the football side, the conference championship game determines the conference champ, that’s pretty important and pretty meaningful to a lot of teams and fan bases.
The conference tourney for basketball I agree with, no one really cares about the winner of that but also it very rarely plays out that a P4 team only got into the dance due to winning the tournament. So it inherently means less.
As long as it means an auto bid and the words "conference championship" on the trophy, the conference tournament still means something. Georgia and Oregon were conference champs in football, but did Ohio State really care?
Last year's CCGs did have more meaning relative to CFP qualification since 3 of the CCG winners received byes. In a 16 team playoff, that advantage is presumably removed and winning the CCG has significantly less impact relative to CFP qualification but would continue have an impact on CFP seeding.
Look, the whole CFP product is effed up due to the oversized conferences with resulting unbalanced intra-conference scheduling, some conferences playing 9 conference games vs 8, and billions of dollars in media rights revenues being left on the table, You can call the Cody Campbell solution as "cute" but it is clearly the only rational way to fix the sport to the financial (and fairness) benefit of all P4 and G5 schools and for fan engagement/enjoyment as well.
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Exactly. Still a lot of value to the season by winning the conference even if you don’t bring home a natty.
