Ross Dellenger report on SEC spring meetings

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Look, the whole CFP product is effed up due to the oversized conferences with resulting unbalanced intra-conference scheduling, some conferences playing 9 conference games vs 8, and billions of dollars in media rights revenues being left on the table, You can call the Cody Campbell solution as "cute" but it is clearly the only rational way to fix the sport to the financial (and fairness) benefit of all P4 and G5 schools and for fan engagement/enjoyment as well.
It's rational, and its what probably 75% of CFB fans want instead of the P2 frankensteins.

But it ain't gonna happen short of divine intervention. The Money doesn't want it.
 

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Last year's CCGs did have more meaning relative to CFP qualification since 3 of the CCG winners received byes. In a 16 team playoff, that advantage is presumably removed and winning the CCG has significantly less impact relative to CFP qualification but would continue have an impact on CFP seeding.

Look, the whole CFP product is effed up due to the oversized conferences with resulting unbalanced intra-conference scheduling, some conferences playing 9 conference games vs 8, and billions of dollars in media rights revenues being left on the table, You can call the Cody Campbell solution as "cute" but it is clearly the only rational way to fix the sport to the financial (and fairness) benefit of all P4 and G5 schools and for fan engagement/enjoyment as well.
You keep saying the "billions left on the table". Where is that coming from? There will be many more CFP games in the $10MM+ viewers, which are what make all the money. You say they're going to go head-to-head with the NFL. Why? There are plenty of time slots to go around. Are you saying people will just get disinterested? Last year was the highest ranking/revenue of any season. And the SEC and B12 have multiple times more revenue than ACC or B12. Now there are several more games between high profile teams than there ever were before. Look at the matchups those two conferences can throw out every weekend.

Look at the top 25 here. 21 are in the SEC or B10. Of the other 4, one is Notre Dame. One is Stanford, but only because they double dipped on the PAC12 buyout and the ACC distribution.

 
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You keep saying the "billions left on the table". Where is that coming from? There will be many more CFP games in the $10MM+ viewers, which are what make all the money. You say they're going to go head-to-head with the NFL. Why? There are plenty of time slots to go around. Are you saying people will just get disinterested? Last year was the highest ranking/revenue of any season. And the SEC and B12 have multiple times more revenue than ACC or B12. Now there are several more games between high profile teams than there ever were before. Look at the matchups those two conferences can throw out every weekend.

Look at the top 25 here. 21 are in the SEC or B10. Of the other 4, one is Notre Dame. One is Stanford, but only because they double dipped on the PAC12 buyout and the ACC distribution.


Any idea where this guy is getting his stats from? There is no source listed and some of these numbers are way different than other reporting I’ve seen.

Edit* not disagreeing with it’s anything you were saying btw just wondering where he is getting that info
 
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You keep saying the "billions left on the table". Where is that coming from?
....and JP recently referenced in a recent interview how the lack of media rights aggregation and bidding them out NFL style is costing the sport millions in media rights revenues:
 

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....and JP recently referenced in a recent interview how the lack of media rights aggregation and bidding them out NFL style is costing the sport millions in media rights revenues:
He’s trying to sell his point. Of course he’s going to say that. I just don’t think it’s logical that “billions are being left on the table”.
 

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Any idea where this guy is getting his stats from? There is no source listed and some of these numbers are way different than other reporting I’ve seen.

Edit* not disagreeing with it’s anything you were saying btw just wondering where he is getting that info
Assume you mean Fuller? It’s from required AEDA reporting.
 

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He’s trying to sell his point. Of course he’s going to say that. I just don’t think it’s logical that “billions are being left on the table”.
It's highly logical given the existing ESPN and Fox stranglehold on the sport, existing bifurcation of conference TV rights and ESPN being the sole bidder for the recent CFP extension. Hell, PE isn't even needed to get those billions.
 

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....and JP recently referenced in a recent interview how the lack of media rights aggregation and bidding them out NFL style is costing the sport millions in media rights revenues:

I've been hammering for years the NFL does it right --

Collects monopoly rents for being the only pro football product.

Meanwhile the conferences let the media companies play them off each other for a discount.

"Yeah SEC your ratings are better but you're really expensive we could pay the Big 12 peanuts in comparison and get a better eyeballs-to-dollars ratio for us. So, your prices need to come down."

That leverage goes away if it was all one big beautiful contract.
 
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Duh!
You keep saying the "billions left on the table". Where is that coming from? There will be many more CFP games in the $10MM+ viewers, which are what make all the money. You say they're going to go head-to-head with the NFL. Why? There are plenty of time slots to go around. Are you saying people will just get disinterested? Last year was the highest ranking/revenue of any season. And the SEC and B12 have multiple times more revenue than ACC or B12. Now there are several more games between high profile teams than there ever were before. Look at the matchups those two conferences can throw out every weekend.

Look at the top 25 here. 21 are in the SEC or B10. Of the other 4, one is Notre Dame. One is Stanford, but only because they double dipped on the PAC12 buyout and the ACC distribution.


Trying to do so research on this to determine what goes into it. Looks like revenue is one of the line items that has to be report as part of the Act. If this is accurate….its effing embarrassing. The biggest difference would be media dollars between conference, donations, Merchandise sales, ticket sales, etc.; what else? Last among P4 and more fairly, our peers.…
 

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Trying to do so research on this to determine what goes into it. Looks like revenue is one of the line items that has to be report as part of the Act. If this is accurate….its effing embarrassing. The biggest difference would be media dollars between conference, donations, Merchandise sales, ticket sales, etc.; what else? Last among P4 and more fairly, our peers.…
ISU reported in the Register that their budget was $115.6 million, the article is dated 2/6/24, so we are a little higher than what this is reporting. $115.6 was a record for ISU and increase of 3.9% over the year before.

 

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Trying to do so research on this to determine what goes into it. Looks like revenue is one of the line items that has to be report as part of the Act. If this is accurate….its effing embarrassing. The biggest difference would be media dollars between conference, donations, Merchandise sales, ticket sales, etc.; what else? Last among P4 and more fairly, our peers.…
Saw a really interesting clip recently. What we should really be asking is, "What is the net income?" My guess is Iowa State would be much better positioned because of JP's accounting prowess.
 

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Agree. Same with winning the basketball conf tourney.
I disagree with the value of winning the conference bball tourney. The regular season title is a more meaningful accomplishment in P4 hoops.

I would bet there is no P4 fanbase in the country that values the tourney title as much as ISU. Our overperformance in that event and a general affinity in our fanbase for partying in KC for a long weekend overly inflates our view of the value of P4 conference tourneys.
 

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I disagree with the value of winning the conference bball tourney. The regular season title is a more meaningful accomplishment in P4 hoops.

I would bet there is no P4 fanbase in the country that values the tourney title as much as ISU. Our overperformance in that event and a general affinity in our fanbase for partying in KC for a long weekend overly inflates our view of the value of P4 conference tourneys.
Maybe. but it is a really fun party and a great event. Hope it stays in KC forever.
 

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He’s trying to sell his point. Of course he’s going to say that. I just don’t think it’s logical that “billions are being left on the table”.

I think it absolutely is.

If the NBA is with 7 billion a year, college football is worth way more than that.
 

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I disagree with the value of winning the conference bball tourney. The regular season title is a more meaningful accomplishment in P4 hoops.

I would bet there is no P4 fanbase in the country that values the tourney title as much as ISU. Our overperformance in that event and a general affinity in our fanbase for partying in KC for a long weekend overly inflates our view of the value of P4 conference tourneys.

Who is overvaluing it? It’s a fun time and winning it is a ton of fun. Very rarely do I see anybody claim it’s more than that.
 

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Pate had a pod I saw yesterday talking about the 4-4-2-2 format. He generally doesn't want playoff expansion, but he did note that if you do go to 14 or 16, then he actually liked the auto bids, but only if the P2 added what amount to play-in games during CCG week.

So the P2 would have their 1-2 play a CCG but each would get 1 of the 4 conference autobids. But then the 3-6 and 4-5 place teams would also play (at the 3/4 seed field) and the winners would get the remaining 2 autobids. His argument is that is 2 more really good FB games to enjoy, and less arguing about who gets picked - your record gets you to 3/4/5/6 and then you gotta win a game. Essentially, its a play in game and you've expanded the playoffs even more lol.

The ACC and Big12 with only 2 autobids doesn't fit as well. No additional CCG really needed. Maybe you'd make the regular season champ the conf champ, and have 2-3 play for the 2nd bid? IDK. He didn't have much for that. He was more focused on the P2 of course.

Honestly, I don't think any of this CFP format stuff matters much in the face of all the other problems (money, NIL, unlimited free agency, tampering, et al) facing CFB.

Pate is right. The 4-4-2-2-1 would make the regular season more impactful and make championship weekend better. Plus we would have 2 B12 teams in minimum every year. I just don’t like that it relegates our conference to second class status in perpetuity. Now, if they said 4-4-2-2-1 for three years then revisit, I’d be on board.
 
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