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There can be a big difference. I don't want to be in the same region as Auburn. That would be like the 2000 Michigan State game all over again. Being a #1 seed will prevent that.
Which could happen due to Auburn's schedule compared to Duke's. I wouldn't be surprised to see Auburn slip up a couple of times and Duke win out. Their schedule is straight dog water.
 
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While this is true, you can't have it both ways. If you look at the Tech game, you could as easily say we are a play away from being 16-4.

We have an outstanding team that can go very deep in the tournament. We are at 17-3. That's good. Personally, and I realize many don't hold this view, I'd rather have a team that goes to the Final Four (or better) than win the conference. But, that's my preference.

This loss might help the team in the end.
I’ve also been trying to remind myself that anything can happen in March. Lots of really good teams have lost games they shouldn’t have. But when it’s march, your season is over. Weird stuff happens: flukey calls, your opponent shoots out of their mind, or nails a half court shot.

I expect S16 at minimum. Beyond that, we have to play great basketball and have the breaks go our way.

A game like last night could easily happen in the tourney and end our season. Sometimes you play well and still don’t win.

Let’s hope we have a long ride ahead of us.
 

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I thought 15-5 in the Big 12 was reasonably achievable, and with that, @ Arizona would probably be a loss. So it wasn't so much that they lost that bothers me, it's that they came one freak play away from winning it. That's mentally tough as a fan, and it has to be tough for the players and coaches. If there's any team and staff that can overcome that quickly, it's this group.
 

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Want to see a brutal schedule the rest of the way? Alabama:

@ #14 Mississippi St.
vs. Georgia
@ Arkansas
@ Texas
vs. #1 Auburn
@ #20 Missouri
vs. #12 Kentucky
vs. #14 Mississippi St.
@ #8 Tennessee
vs. #5 Florida
@ #1 Auburn
 

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I don't know man. It just kind of feels like this team needs to make every free throw, value the ball while being aggressive, shoot 75 % from 3 and never allow an offensive rebound. And if we can't live up to that I'm not even sure what the point of playing is.
 

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Of course I am totally bummed out we lost that game, just like I was after West Virginia. However, we just haven't played up to our potential for many games. I would be interested in people's opinions as to WHY.
IMO it's not losing Milan, I hadn't been impressed with him, at all. Preseason TJ said Milan would be a first-class shot hunter......I didn't see that.
Obviously we aren't taking care of the ball, maybe we need to have the ball in Tamin's hands the majority of the time? I realize he has had turnovers also, but he is much calmer and makes good decisions, most of the time.
This is not a bitchfest, or a negative, I believe our fantastic coaches and these hard-nosed players can work it out, just curious on people's thoughts.
It's hard for me to put much of a critical lens when assessing the #3 team in the nation, particularly when that would be me playing arm chair coach when I haven't done so above my son's 3yo pee wee, let alone turned around a program into a national contender...but if I had to

Offensive identity, and flow of our sets, has been one of the weaker areas in TJ's teams. When things are going good, things are good, when they get sluggish, they get sluggish. A lot of times this is because of how defenses are scouting us.

For instance last night, it seemed like we needed a bucket during the run to stop the bleeding. And to my eyes, we rolled the dice figuring out which guy was going to go out and get a bucket to stock the bleeding. Believe Jefferson finally did with his first fg.

In previous years we've had either a more reliable action, or a consistent go to player that could stop those runs. Ejim, Kane, Georges, and Monte in particular.

I don't know if it's a more loose system, but recall in years past the action was Bob Jones 30 ft from the hoop. This year as things have gotten sluggish, it seems it's put Keshon in pnr and hope for the best or have Curtis try to work off ball and get a shot up.

I do believe the most steady/reliable option is two man game with Tamin and Jefferson.

Keshon has a different gear, but dribbling into double/triple teams is not the way.

Again, who am I? TJ assembled these dudes, believes in these dudes, and he and his staff are putting them in the best position to succeed and thus far this year (and TJ's time) the results have been outstanding.

It's not a matter of heart, focus, or want to. Which to me is controlling what you can control.

Is there need at times for a more developed X&O to get a bucket? Maybe?
But that's splitting hairs.
 

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Of course I am totally bummed out we lost that game, just like I was after West Virginia. However, we just haven't played up to our potential for many games. I would be interested in people's opinions as to WHY.
IMO it's not losing Milan, I hadn't been impressed with him, at all. Preseason TJ said Milan would be a first-class shot hunter......I didn't see that.
Obviously we aren't taking care of the ball, maybe we need to have the ball in Tamin's hands the majority of the time? I realize he has had turnovers also, but he is much calmer and makes good decisions, most of the time.
This is not a bitchfest, or a negative, I believe our fantastic coaches and these hard-nosed players can work it out, just curious on people's thoughts.
Welcome to sports.

I thought we played well against Arizona. They're #14 on Kenpom. On the road. They were a slight favorite by computer metrics and we outplayed them (barely). That game pretty much went how it should have.

There is no such thing as playing a perfect game. Games are won by being just good enough that day. We were good enough, then the basketball gods smote us.
 

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I don't know man. It just kind of feels like this team needs to make every free throw, value the ball while being aggressive, shoot 75 % from 3 and never allow an offensive rebound. And if we can't live up to that I'm not even sure what the point of playing is.

Don't forget Jefferson feeling like playing and dominating wire to wire even if the opponent has a bigger guy that is limiting his looks in the first half.
 

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I thought 15-5 in the Big 12 was reasonably achievable, and with that, @ Arizona would probably be a loss. So it wasn't so much that they lost that bothers me, it's that they came one freak play away from winning it. That's mentally tough as a fan, and it has to be tough for the players and coaches. If there's any team and staff that can overcome that quickly, it's this group.
Quite reasonable and fair. But that is a 2 seed resume which will be disappointing. Which is unfair but that is the perception.
 

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While this is true, you can't have it both ways. If you look at the Tech game, you could as easily say we are a play away from being 16-4.

We have an outstanding team that can go very deep in the tournament. We are at 17-3. That's good. Personally, and I realize many don't hold this view, I'd rather have a team that goes to the Final Four (or better) than win the conference. But, that's my preference.

This loss might help the team in the end.
Arizona had the recipe to defeat Iowa State. I feel like this loss was more about Arizona having an excellent gameplan and the athletes to pull it off than ISU playing poorly. Now the coaches can figure out how to respond when the next team comes along and tries the same strategy. Better for this to happen now than in the NCAA Tournament.
 

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Of course I am totally bummed out we lost that game, just like I was after West Virginia. However, we just haven't played up to our potential for many games. I would be interested in people's opinions as to WHY.
IMO it's not losing Milan, I hadn't been impressed with him, at all. Preseason TJ said Milan would be a first-class shot hunter......I didn't see that.
Obviously we aren't taking care of the ball, maybe we need to have the ball in Tamin's hands the majority of the time? I realize he has had turnovers also, but he is much calmer and makes good decisions, most of the time.
This is not a bitchfest, or a negative, I believe our fantastic coaches and these hard-nosed players can work it out, just curious on people's thoughts.

I completely disagree with your analysis of Milan. Defenses are going to sag when there isn't a 3 point threat to kick out to. Milan and Cujo are that threat when KG and Tamin start slashing. There's a reason were getting walled off in the paint and turning the ball over more since he hurt his hand. Defenses are collapsing. I mean the dude is shooting 44 percent from 3 this year.
 

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Don't forget Jefferson feeling like playing and dominating wire to wire even if the opponent has a bigger guy that is limiting his looks in the first half.

If Jefferson isn't yelling, screaming and handing out "too smalls" I don't know if he deserves to see the floor.
 
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If Jefferson isn't yelling, scream and handing out "too smalls" I don't know if he deserves to see the floor.

We need more of this in the first three minutes of the game and a 4 point lead so we know the players care.
 
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Of course I am totally bummed out we lost that game, just like I was after West Virginia. However, we just haven't played up to our potential for many games. I would be interested in people's opinions as to WHY.
IMO it's not losing Milan, I hadn't been impressed with him, at all. Preseason TJ said Milan would be a first-class shot hunter......I didn't see that.
Obviously we aren't taking care of the ball, maybe we need to have the ball in Tamin's hands the majority of the time? I realize he has had turnovers also, but he is much calmer and makes good decisions, most of the time.
This is not a bitchfest, or a negative, I believe our fantastic coaches and these hard-nosed players can work it out, just curious on people's thoughts.
Maybe that's just who this team is. Has the talent, the experience and scheme to win the NC but falls short because the pieces can't seem to all realize the potential in unison.

I agree with others here that the goal now should be to rack up quad 1 wins and to try to develop a rhythm where we can get the players to peak at the right time if there is such a thing. B12 title is secondary.
 
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