SEC/Big10 Pushing for 16 Team Playoff

[VeloClone]

You can say that because you are the fan of school that is getting this money, and if it all goes to crap, EIU will be left standing, with a seat at the table. Schools in the B12 and ACC may not be around or at least getting enough money from their media deals to stay competitive in the future. I know many EIU fans cannot wait for that day to arrive, if it does, and will gloat over it, just like they do now, that ISU was forced to drop baseball because of what it was costing the athletic department.

I mean it's crazy to think, some schools struggling now and will in the future, while others will be fine, just because they just so happen to join the B10 and SEC, decades ago. Is a school like Minnesota really that much of a better get than Iowa State or Kansas State in the grand scheme of things?

As things stand now Minnesota isn't offering more than those schools in FB and BB. However they certainly give the Big 10 cache in hockey. Historically UofM have contributed 7 FB national championships to the Big 10 tally.

Minnesota's 29 national championships across all sports certainly stands up well against KSU's zero.

 

[Postel16]

Here's where i have a major problem with what they are proposing:
Big 12 vs big 10
2024. 2-3
2023. 1-2
2022. 3-1
2021. 1-3
2019. 1-1
2018. 1-3
2017. 1-2
2016. 0-2
2015. 2-2
2014. 3-1
2013. 1-1
2012. 3-1
2011. 1-0
2010. 2-3
Total 22-25

Big 12 vs SEC
2024. 2-5
2023. 3-1
2022. 2-4
2021. 3-1
2019. 1-5
2018. 4-3
2017. 2-2
2016. 2-3
2015. 2-3
2014. 2-5
2013. 2-3
2012. 1-1
2011. 0-4
2010. 1-2
Total 27-42

ACC vs Big10 since 2010
34-48
ACC vs SEC since 2010
61-89
ACC vs Big12 since 2010
20-24 or 17-22 if you remove Oklahoma.

There's no way you can make a rational argument why the beligerent10 & sec deserve 2 more aq's. SEC maybe 3, ok, but we know whatever they get the B10 will demand the same. Conferences shouldn't be rewarded simply because they kept adding schools.
SEC & B10=34 teams=8 guaranteed spots up to 11 possible=50%-69%=23.5%-32.4% chance per team to get in
Other=100 teams=5 guaranteed spots or up to 8 possible=31%-50%=0.05%-0.08% chance per team to get in...you see the issue yet?

 

[MountainManHawk]

Here's where i have a major problem with what they are proposing:
Big 12 vs big 10
2024. 2-3
2023. 1-2
2022. 3-1
2021. 1-3
2019. 1-1
2018. 1-3
2017. 1-2
2016. 0-2
2015. 2-2
2014. 3-1
2013. 1-1
2012. 3-1
2011. 1-0
2010. 2-3
Total 22-25

Big 12 vs SEC
2024. 2-5
2023. 3-1
2022. 2-4
2021. 3-1
2019. 1-5
2018. 4-3
2017. 2-2
2016. 2-3
2015. 2-3
2014. 2-5
2013. 2-3
2012. 1-1
2011. 0-4
2010. 1-2
Total 27-42

ACC vs Big10 since 2010
34-48
ACC vs SEC since 2010
61-89
ACC vs Big12 since 2010
20-24 or 17-22 if you remove Oklahoma.

There's no way you can make a rational argument why the beligerent10 & sec deserve 2 more aq's. SEC maybe 3, ok, but we know whatever they get the B10 will demand the same. Conferences shouldn't be rewarded simply because they kept adding schools.
SEC & B10=34 teams=8 guaranteed spots up to 11 possible=50%-69%=23.5%-32.4% chance per team to get in
Other=100 teams=5 guaranteed spots or up to 8 possible=31%-50%=0.05%-0.08% chance per team to get in...you see the issue yet?

I don’t disagree with anything you said (guaranteed bids are dumb) but for the sake of accuracy, I think your numbers are out-of-date. This is what I’m seeing. And yes, I agree it’s dumb that USC vs Arizona is now considered a Big12 vs BigTen game, lol.





The win-loss record for the 18 current Big Ten teams vs. the 16 current Big 12 teams from 2010 to 2024, based on 2025 memberships, is Big Ten 77, Big 12 58:

• 2010: Big Ten 3 (Iowa 1, Nebraska 2), Big 12 2 (Oklahoma State 1, West Virginia 1).

• 2011: Big Ten 0, Big 12 5 (Baylor 1, Iowa State 1, Arizona State 1, Utah 1, West Virginia 1).

• 2012: Big Ten 3 (UCLA 2, USC 1), Big 12 2 (Iowa State 1, Arizona State 1).

• 2013: Big Ten 5 (Iowa 1, UCLA 3, Washington 1), Big 12 3 (Arizona State 1, West Virginia 1, Kansas State 1).

• 2014: Big Ten 4 (Iowa 1, UCLA 2, USC 1), Big 12 3 (West Virginia 1, Arizona State 1, Utah 1).

• 2015: Big Ten 4 (Iowa 1, UCLA 2, USC 1), Big 12 3 (TCU 1, West Virginia 1, Utah 1).

• 2016: Big Ten 4 (Iowa 1, Washington 2, USC 1), Big 12 4 (West Virginia 1, Arizona 1, Utah 1, Colorado 1).

• 2017: Big Ten 2 (UCLA 1, USC 1), Big 12 4 (Iowa State 1, Utah 1, Arizona State 1, West Virginia 1).

• 2018: Big Ten 6 (Iowa 1, Nebraska 1, Ohio State 1, Oregon 2, Washington 2), Big 12 3 (Arizona 1, Utah 1, Colorado 1).

• 2019: Big Ten 6 (Iowa 1, Oregon 3, Washington 2), Big 12 3 (Colorado 1, Arizona 1, West Virginia 1).

• 2020: Big Ten 4 (USC 3, Washington 1), Big 12 1 (Colorado 1).

• 2021: Big Ten 3 (Iowa 1, USC 1, Washington 1), Big 12 3 (Utah 1, Arizona 1, West Virginia 1).

• 2022: Big Ten 5 (Iowa 1, UCLA 1, USC 1, Washington 2), Big 12 3 (TCU 1, Arizona State 1, Utah 1).

• 2023: Big Ten 6 (Iowa 1, Penn State 1, UCLA 1, Washington 2, Oregon 1), Big 12 3 (Colorado 1, Arizona 1, Arizona State 1).

• 2024: Big Ten 3 (Nebraska 1, Penn State 1, USC 1), Big 12 2 (Kansas State 1, Iowa State 1).

Big Ten Wins (77):

• Iowa: 10 (vs. Iowa State).

• Nebraska: 3 (vs. Kansas, Colorado; vs. Colorado).

• Ohio State: 1 (vs. TCU).

• Penn State: 3 (vs. West Virginia).

• USC: 14 (7 vs. Arizona, 1 vs. Arizona State, 4 vs. Utah, 2 vs. Colorado).

• UCLA: 13 (6 vs. Arizona, 4 vs. Colorado, 3 vs. Utah).

• Oregon: 16 (6 vs. Arizona, 2 vs. Arizona State, 3 vs. Utah, 5 vs. Colorado).

• Washington: 16 (5 vs. Arizona, 2 vs. Arizona State, 2 vs. Utah, 7 vs. Colorado).

Big 12 Wins (58):

• Iowa State: 4 (vs. Iowa).

• West Virginia: 8 (vs. Maryland, Penn State).

• Oklahoma State: 1 (vs. Nebraska).

• Baylor: 1 (vs. Washington).

• TCU: 3 (vs. Oregon, Michigan, Wisconsin).

• Colorado: 5 (vs. Nebraska, UCLA, USC, Oregon).

• Kansas State: 2 (vs. Rutgers, Michigan).

• Arizona: 6 (vs. UCLA, USC, Washington).

• Arizona State: 10 (vs. UCLA, USC, Oregon, Washington).

• Utah: 13 (vs. UCLA, USC, Oregon, Washington).

 

[Clonehomer]

The disparities are wider!?! Tell that to the big ten west lol

But with the old system, the teams you’re being compared to when deciding the championship game participants had a majority of the same schedule. And you’re guaranteed to play head to head. Now, you’re competing for a CCG spot against teams you’ve never had the chance to play and may have had a completely different strength of schedule. You’re just going to end up with the schedule dictating participants just as often as who the best two teams are.

You’ll have fewer CCG blowouts without the lopsided divisions, but I still don’t see a guarantee to get the best two teams. The conferences are just too big to be able to do that in football now.

Instead of expanding the CFP, they need to just expand the CCG into 4 team playoffs to decide conference champions. Then just have an 8 team playoff with 5 AQs and 3 at large. And let’s also just drop the farce of bowl games as they’ve turned into the Pro Bowl anyways.

 

[Postel16]

I don’t disagree with anything you said (guaranteed bids are dumb) but for the sake of accuracy, I think your numbers are out-of-date. This is what I’m seeing. And yes, I agree it’s dumb that USC vs Arizona is now considered a Big12 vs BigTen game, lol.





The win-loss record for the 18 current Big Ten teams vs. the 16 current Big 12 teams from 2010 to 2024, based on 2025 memberships, is Big Ten 77, Big 12 58:

• 2010: Big Ten 3 (Iowa 1, Nebraska 2), Big 12 2 (Oklahoma State 1, West Virginia 1).

• 2011: Big Ten 0, Big 12 5 (Baylor 1, Iowa State 1, Arizona State 1, Utah 1, West Virginia 1).

• 2012: Big Ten 3 (UCLA 2, USC 1), Big 12 2 (Iowa State 1, Arizona State 1).

• 2013: Big Ten 5 (Iowa 1, UCLA 3, Washington 1), Big 12 3 (Arizona State 1, West Virginia 1, Kansas State 1).

• 2014: Big Ten 4 (Iowa 1, UCLA 2, USC 1), Big 12 3 (West Virginia 1, Arizona State 1, Utah 1).

• 2015: Big Ten 4 (Iowa 1, UCLA 2, USC 1), Big 12 3 (TCU 1, West Virginia 1, Utah 1).

• 2016: Big Ten 4 (Iowa 1, Washington 2, USC 1), Big 12 4 (West Virginia 1, Arizona 1, Utah 1, Colorado 1).

• 2017: Big Ten 2 (UCLA 1, USC 1), Big 12 4 (Iowa State 1, Utah 1, Arizona State 1, West Virginia 1).

• 2018: Big Ten 6 (Iowa 1, Nebraska 1, Ohio State 1, Oregon 2, Washington 2), Big 12 3 (Arizona 1, Utah 1, Colorado 1).

• 2019: Big Ten 6 (Iowa 1, Oregon 3, Washington 2), Big 12 3 (Colorado 1, Arizona 1, West Virginia 1).

• 2020: Big Ten 4 (USC 3, Washington 1), Big 12 1 (Colorado 1).

• 2021: Big Ten 3 (Iowa 1, USC 1, Washington 1), Big 12 3 (Utah 1, Arizona 1, West Virginia 1).

• 2022: Big Ten 5 (Iowa 1, UCLA 1, USC 1, Washington 2), Big 12 3 (TCU 1, Arizona State 1, Utah 1).

• 2023: Big Ten 6 (Iowa 1, Penn State 1, UCLA 1, Washington 2, Oregon 1), Big 12 3 (Colorado 1, Arizona 1, Arizona State 1).

• 2024: Big Ten 3 (Nebraska 1, Penn State 1, USC 1), Big 12 2 (Kansas State 1, Iowa State 1).

Big Ten Wins (77):

• Iowa: 10 (vs. Iowa State).

• Nebraska: 3 (vs. Kansas, Colorado; vs. Colorado).

• Ohio State: 1 (vs. TCU).

• Penn State: 3 (vs. West Virginia).

• USC: 14 (7 vs. Arizona, 1 vs. Arizona State, 4 vs. Utah, 2 vs. Colorado).

• UCLA: 13 (6 vs. Arizona, 4 vs. Colorado, 3 vs. Utah).

• Oregon: 16 (6 vs. Arizona, 2 vs. Arizona State, 3 vs. Utah, 5 vs. Colorado).

• Washington: 16 (5 vs. Arizona, 2 vs. Arizona State, 2 vs. Utah, 7 vs. Colorado).

Big 12 Wins (58):

• Iowa State: 4 (vs. Iowa).

• West Virginia: 8 (vs. Maryland, Penn State).

• Oklahoma State: 1 (vs. Nebraska).

• Baylor: 1 (vs. Washington).

• TCU: 3 (vs. Oregon, Michigan, Wisconsin).

• Colorado: 5 (vs. Nebraska, UCLA, USC, Oregon).

• Kansas State: 2 (vs. Rutgers, Michigan).

• Arizona: 6 (vs. UCLA, USC, Washington).

• Arizona State: 10 (vs. UCLA, USC, Oregon, Washington).

• Utah: 13 (vs. UCLA, USC, Oregon, Washington).

...yeah your correct I didn't have time earlier to separate teams that have switched conferences. Thats on me. Thanks for correcting.

 

[MountainManHawk]

...yeah your correct I didn't have time earlier to separate teams that have switched conferences. Thats on me. Thanks for correcting.

It really doesn’t matter, I was mostly just curious myself what the new numbers looked like so I went and found them myself. Theoretically if someone wanted numbers to support the bids per conference argument they should exclude the bottom half of the BigTen because a lot of those schools are realistically never going to make it so looking at the results of Maryland vs West Virginia doesn’t really tell us anything. Although, prior to last year I would have included Indiana as a school that was never going to make the playoffs so what do I know…

 

[Postel16]

It really doesn’t matter, I was mostly just curious myself what the new numbers looked like so I went and found them myself. Theoretically if someone wanted numbers to support the bids per conference argument they should exclude the bottom half of the BigTen because a lot of those schools are realistically never going to make it so looking at the results of Maryland vs West Virginia doesn’t really tell us anything. Although, prior to last year I would have included Indiana as a school that was never going to make the playoffs so what do I know…

Lol I hear ya

 

[isu81]

It’s a pretty flawed way to look at it anyway due to non-conference rivalries making up a lot of the numbers. Bowl games also?

 

[Rogue52]

Who knows what happens to the format in 2026, but the Big 12 champion won't even be playing a 1st round home game.

 

[SolterraCyclone]

Who knows what happens to the format in 2026, but the Big 12 champion won't even be playing a 1st round home game.

I’m not sure why this was agreed do, unless there was some sort of handshake deal from the B10/SEC for more auto-bids for B12/Acc or something in 2026

 

[Clonehomer]

I’m not sure why this was agreed do, unless there was some sort of handshake deal from the B10/SEC for more auto-bids for B12/Acc or something in 2026

Ask the PAC12 how much handshake deals work with the Big10.

This will be a disaster for anyone outside the P2. It’ll be a popularity contest with teams picked by the TV networks with little regard to what happened on the field. I have no issue with losing the bye week, but the top 4 conference champs should be guaranteed home games at minimum.

 

[Gonzo]

Who knows what happens to the format in 2026, but the Big 12 champion won't even be playing a 1st round home game.

This is the fairest move. Boise St. getting a bye was a joke. In last year's preseason rankings Utah was #12 and Okie St. was #17. If one of them, especially Utah, had done what they were expected to do that season they very likely would've ended up with a top-4 ranking and a bye based on this new policy.

 

[CascadeClone]

Who knows what happens to the format in 2026, but the Big 12 champion won't even be playing a 1st round home game.

Probably not, but an undefeated champ probably would be.

 

[Clonehomer]

This is the fairest move. Boise St. getting a bye was a joke. In last year's preseason rankings Utah was #12 and Okie St. was #17. If one of them, especially Utah, had done what they were expected to do that season they very likely would've ended up with a top-4 ranking and a bye based on this new policy.

Fairest move would be to select the teams based on a BCS style formula rather than a committee.

 

[enisthemenace]

This is the fairest move. Boise St. getting a bye was a joke. In last year's preseason rankings Utah was #12 and Okie St. was #17. If one of them, especially Utah, had done what they were expected to do that season they very likely would've ended up with a top-4 ranking and a bye based on this new policy.

It’s horse **** and you know it. This is in reaction to the Big2 (Big10/SEC) having to play an extra game and/or on the road last year. If this had been in place last year, no team outside of those two conferences, other than Notre Dame, would have seen a bye or home game.

They are just stacking the deck over and over again, all while continuing to allow the SEC to play just 8 conference games and one of 4 non-cons…usually a total slap ****…in November.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

Ask the PAC12 how much handshake deals work with the Big10.

This will be a disaster for anyone outside the P2. It’ll be a popularity contest with teams picked by the TV networks with little regard to what happened on the field. I have no issue with losing the bye week, but the top 4 conference champs should be guaranteed home games at minimum.

In this scenario wouldn’t it be more likely that the big12 and acc champs get a home game? Not sure if it’s changing but last year just the first round (non champions) highest seeds got home games. So if the big12 or ACC champ isn’t in the top 4 it might be more likely that they get a home game this way.

Whole thing is stupid, never should have gone past 8 teams and it’s just getting more convoluted. This move is a direct response to Boise getting an absurd bye as a G5 team.

 

[ZorkClone]

Fairest move would be to select the teams based on a BCS style formula rather than a committee.

The fairest move would be to use the FCS format.

 

[theshadow]

2024 First Round, under 2024 rules:
9 Tennessee (at-large) at 8 Ohio State (at-large)
12 Clemson (ACC #1) at 5 Texas (at-large)
11 SMU (at-large) at 6 Penn State (at-large)
10 Indiana (at-large) at 7 Notre Dame (at-large)
BYES: 1 Oregon (B1G #1), 2 Georgia (SEC #1), 3 Boise State (MW #1), 4 Arizona State (Big 12 #1)

2024 First Round, under 2025 rules:
9 Boise State (MW #1) at 8 Indiana
12 Clemson (ACC #1) at 5 Notre Dame
11 Arizona State (Big 12 #1) at 6 Ohio State
10 SMU at 7 Tennessee
BYES: 1 Oregon (B1G #1), 2 Georgia (SEC #1), 3 Texas, 4 Penn State

Changes:
*Indiana and Tennessee get home games instead of road games
*Texas and Penn State get byes instead of home games
*Boise State and Arizona State get road games instead of byes

 

[CascadeClone]

2024 First Round, under 2024 rules:
9 Tennessee (at-large) at 8 Ohio State (at-large)
12 Clemson (ACC #1) at 5 Texas (at-large)
11 SMU (at-large) at 6 Penn State (at-large)
10 Indiana (at-large) at 7 Notre Dame (at-large)
BYES: 1 Oregon (B1G #1), 2 Georgia (SEC #1), 3 Boise State (MW #1), 4 Arizona State (Big 12 #1)

2024 First Round, under 2025 rules:
9 Boise State (MW #1) at 8 Indiana
12 Clemson (ACC #1) at 5 Notre Dame
11 Arizona State (Big 12 #1) at 6 Ohio State
10 SMU at 7 Tennessee
BYES: 1 Oregon (B1G #1), 2 Georgia (SEC #1), 3 Texas, 4 Penn State

Changes:
*Indiana and Tennessee get home games instead of road games
*Texas and Penn State get byes instead of home games
*Boise State and Arizona State get road games instead of byes

Under the new rules, P2 gets the top 8 seeds (with ND snuck in there). So 4 byes, and 4 home games.

L.O.F.L. I mean, why even bother with the pretense anymore?

 

[Gonzo]

Under the new rules, P2 gets the top 8 seeds (with ND snuck in there). So 4 byes, and 4 home games.

L.O.F.L. I mean, why even bother with the pretense anymore?

A 1-loss Utah or Okie St. last year would've likely ended the regular season ranked in the top-4. Under these rules they'd get a first round bye.