Ankeny Police Incompetent!

[Al_4_State]

Why exactly is cooking meth in the middle of ******* nowhere such a public hazard? After all, it's the middle of ******* nowhere.

Once again, it's apples to oranges. You guys just don't get it. I'm done with this fight. Cooking meth anywhere is a hazard for a million reasons. Drunk driving down 235 is a hazard for a million reasons. Drunk driving on a back road in BFE is a lot less of a hazard than any of these. You just don't get it...

For the last time, I'm not advocating drunk driving. I'm saying that especially in rural counties there are bigger problems that get less attention.

 

[jdoggivjc]

Why exactly is cooking meth in the middle of ******* nowhere such a public hazard? After all, it's the middle of ******* nowhere.

That and I don't hear about local cops doing too many meth lab busts - mostly that's reserved for the folks at agencies such as the FBI and DEA. Mostly local cops in the circle of life of drug law enforcement are locking up the possessers, users, and dealers. How do they find these guys? By enforcing the law by pulling people over for pissant traffic violations and breaking up keggers where underage drinking is taking place, you know, the ones you say that cops shouldn't be wasting their time with (not you Daddymac- the others).

Ignore the little laws in favor of only going after the big crime and you usually lose your access point to the bigger crime you are going after.

 

[cmoneyr]

People do know you can refuse cops from searching your car with no consequences? I refuse any time I am pulled over and I never have anything to hide.

You get pulled over alot?

 

[CyForPresident]

You get pulled over alot?

Not in 4 years. When I do though, cops sure as hell are not looking in my car.

 

[Dave19642006]

A routine stop is never a routine stop

 

[Al_4_State]

That and I don't hear about local cops doing too many meth lab busts - mostly that's reserved for the folks at agencies such as the FBI and DEA. Mostly local cops in the circle of life of drug law enforcement are locking up the possessers, users, and dealers. How do they find these guys? By enforcing the law by pulling people over for pissant traffic violations and breaking up keggers where underage drinking is taking place, you know, the ones you say that cops shouldn't be wasting their time with (not you Daddymac- the others).

Ignore the little laws in favor of only going after the big crime and you usually lose your access point to the bigger crime you are going after.

Mostly true for sure. The thing is in these small counties, the individual meth cookers aren't distributing at a large enough of level to draw these agencies attentions. The problem is there are a lot of individual cookers out there, and it's really the type of problem more suited for local enforcement. The meth problem in rural America, plain and simple is more destructive in these particular communities than drunk driving or underage drinking. I'm not saying that in a national perspective it is, but if you went to say, Centerville, or Spencer, or some smaller towns like that and asked people what the bigger threat is, I don't think it would even be close...

 

[DaddyMac]

Once again, it's apples to oranges. You guys just don't get it. I'm done with this fight. Cooking meth anywhere is a hazard for a million reasons. Drunk driving down 235 is a hazard for a million reasons. Drunk driving on a back road in BFE is a lot less of a hazard than any of these. You just don't get it...

For the last time, I'm not advocating drunk driving. I'm saying that especially in rural counties there are bigger problems that get less attention.

I'm pretty sure we're not the ones "who don't get it'.

I'm well aware of why meth is dangerous. I just don't get why cooking it in BFE is inherently more dangereous than drunk driving. Last time I checked, meth labs weren't often mobile. They're usually in some shack or house - usually in BFE. And more often than not away from others.

That drunk 18 y/o (or 30 y/0, or 50 y/o) is cruising about looking to knock themselves off and all too often take a few others with them.

 

[CyForPresident]

I'm pretty sure we're not the ones "who don't get it'.

I'm well aware of why meth is dangerous. I just don't get why cooking it in BFE is inherently more dangereous than drunk driving. Last time I checked, meth labs weren't often mobile. They're usually in some shack or house - usually in BFE. And more often than not away from others.

That drunk 18 y/o (or 30 y/0, or 50 y/o) is cruising about looking to knock themselves off and all too often take a few others with them.

Actually, a lot of them are mobile. Watch the show Breaking Bad, its all about meth labs.

 

[Al_4_State]

I'm pretty sure we're not the ones "who don't get it'.

I'm well aware of why meth is dangerous. I just don't get why cooking it in BFE is inherently more dangereous than drunk driving. Last time I checked, meth labs weren't often mobile. They're usually in some shack or house - usually in BFE. And more often than not away from others.

That drunk 18 y/o (or 30 y/0, or 50 y/o) is cruising about looking to knock themselves off and all too often take a few others with them.

It isn't everywhere. Like I said though earlier, in a lot of places (like rural Iowa), where meth IS a big problem, it's destroying a lot more lives than drunk driving ever has or ever will. Meth is always dangerous, as usually the cookers are doing it at home, and basically destroying their children's lives as well as their own.

 

[DaddyMac]

What parallel, bizaro world do some of you live in.

I've been pulled over several times for a variety of offenses. I've never had a cop search my car, or even ask to.

Are you afraid your phone calls are being monitored, and that scary looking car across the street is just "the man trying to keep you down?"

What paranoia.

 

[CyForPresident]

I've been pulled over several times for a variety of offenses. I've never had a cop search my car, or even ask to.

Really?!? I must be an attractive target then, because I have been searched or asked about searching every time. It might have something to do with the cops in my hometown. They are out of their freaking minds and think everyone is Al Capone.

 

[DaddyMac]

Actually, a lot of them are mobile. Watch the show Breaking Bad, its all about meth labs.

Sorry, I don't often get my news and fact from evening dramas on tv.

I also don't think most court rooms are like Law and Order, most ER's are like, well ER. And I don't think every New Zealander is like Bear Grylls.

And in case you caught Jurasic Park last week on TNT - there is no such island. I grew up just outside Dyersville, so I'll cue you in to one more thing. If you build it, they won't come. Dead baseball players don't live in Iowa corn fields.

I'm sure some are. Vast, vast, vast majority are not. And if they are, they are BFE which still blows this assertation you guys are making clear out of the water.

 

[Dave19642006]

People do know you can refuse cops from searching your car with no consequences? I refuse any time I am pulled over and I never have anything to hide.

Correct he cannot. It is against the 4th Amendment.

Normally, you would think that if you didn't have anything to hide you should simply consent to the search so that you can be on your way. However, the only reason they need to ask for your consent is because they don't have enough evidence to search without it. You don't have to let them search your vehicle or personal belongings if you don't feel it is necessary. However, if you choose not to consent, you still need to state this politely. According to the Fourth Amendment, you have the right to be protected from unreasonable search and seizure. If you really have nothing to hide and would rather just get it over with, feel free to consent, but know that if anything is found it could lead to more trouble than a simple ticket.

Many people think that denying the officer permission to search your car immediately insinuates guilt on your part. This is not true. The officer might presume that you're hiding something, but if he has no reason to be suspicious then he shouldn't need to search your belongings. Always remember that you don't have to answer any questions that the officer asks without your lawyer present if you don't want to. Simply ask politely that you have a lawyer present for questioning, and the officer will allow you to contact your lawyer. However, this usually means you will be detained, and taken to the police station for questioning, so be prepared to ride in the back of the police car if you choose this option. Finally, if the officer attempts to detain you, don't physically resist him, as this may result in further charges being filed.


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[cmoneyr]

Really?!? I must be an attractive target then, because I have been searched or asked about searching every time. It might have something to do with the cops in my hometown. They are out of their freaking minds and think everyone is Al Capone.

Well you are getting pulled over a lot apparently, you're obviously doing something wrong.

 

[CyForPresident]

Sorry, I don't often get my news and fact from evening dramas on tv.

I also don't think most court rooms are like Law and Order, most ER's are like, well ER. And I don't think every New Zealander is like Bear Grylls.

And in case you caught Jurasic Park last week on TNT - there is no such island. I grew up just outside Dyersville, so I'll cue you in to one more thing. If you build it, they won't come. Dead baseball players don't live in Iowa corn fields.

I'm sure some are. Vast, vast, vast majority are not. And if they are, they are BFE which still blows this assertation you guys are making clear out of the water.

Well good for you. I grew in Hopkinton so whoopie doo about the field of dreams. I guess you don't understand how TV shows can be based in reality. :skeptical: Mobile meth labs are a growing problem.

Here's some news for you, since that's all you recognize.
3/18/2009 - Collegedale Officer Finds Mobile Meth Lab - Breaking News - Chattanoogan.com

 

[DaddyMac]

It isn't everywhere. Like I said though earlier, in a lot of places (like rural Iowa), where meth IS a big problem, it's destroying a lot more lives than drunk driving ever has or ever will. Meth is always dangerous, as usually the cookers are doing it at home, and basically destroying their children's lives as well as their own.

While I sincerely doubt that the number match up like you want to believe, I do accept this last statement. But that's the case in just about ANY substance abuse - even alcohol.

In any case, I really doubt that PD or sheriffs offices are leaving known meth labs alone just to setup roadblocks for DUI offieders. Quite the opposite in fact. If for nothing than sure ego, much less the dollars that would come in to fight a known meth hot-spot - law enforcement will go out of it's way to make that Meth bust.

 

[Al_4_State]

I just want to leave my final thoughts on the matter, and then I'm going to bed.

1) I never said drunk driving was a good thing. I just don't think it's as dangerous as meth, and thus deserves less attention from law enforcement.

2) Same for underage drinking.

3) Our opinions are all products of our life experiences. I have seen people's lives absolutely shattered by meth. Not just theirs, but all the people around them. I've seen it almost kill entire towns (not every person in a town, but more like a town to just collapse from the meth problem). I know drunk driving can do some of these things, but I just haven't witnessed it cause the same scale of destruction I've witnessed meth cause. Thats all. Good night.

 

[DaddyMac]

Well good for you. I grew in Hopkinton so whoopie doo about the field of dreams. I guess you don't understand how TV shows can be based in reality. :skeptical: Mobile meth labs are a growing problem.

Here's some news for you, since that's all you recognize.
3/18/2009 - Collegedale Officer Finds Mobile Meth Lab - Breaking News - Chattanoogan.com

Great - what do you think the proportions of labs in vans or trucks is to those in basements and garages?

.01%? .02%?

There's probaby one or two on boats and airplanes too.

 

[cmoneyr]

I just want to leave my final thoughts on the matter, and then I'm going to bed.

1) I never said drunk driving was a good thing. I just don't think it's as dangerous as meth, and thus deserves less attention from law enforcement.

2) Same for underage drinking.

3) Our opinions are all products of our life experiences. I have seen people's lives absolutely shattered by meth. Not just theirs, but all the people around them. I've seen it almost kill entire towns (not every person in a town, but more like a town to just collapse from the meth problem). I know drunk driving can do some of these things, but I just haven't witnessed it cause the same scale of destruction I've witnessed meth cause. Thats all. Good night.

Would've been a lot easier if you just said from the start "I don't like meth, I want cops to divert all resources to it."

 

[CyForPresident]

Great - what do you think the proportions of labs in vans or trucks is to those in basements and garages?

.01%? .02%?

There's probaby one or two on boats and airplanes too.

More than you think. Just google "mobile meth lab" and look at all the new stories. Its not that big of problem in Iowa yet, but it is a big problem in residential areas. People can drive out to the middle of nowhere to cook, and then drive back into the suburbs.