We probably should have lost at Tech, so this is just the basketball powers making things even. Just wish they didn't do it in such a cruel way.
*** Official #3 IOWA STATE vs Arizona Game(Day) Thread ***
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You said they would not be able to inbound to someone and the ball and pass it to a shooter with 2.2 left in time to get a shot off.
2 things, first with the Baylor game, I understand it was not the same spot, but the clock doesn’t start with the ball in the air so clearly, you can make a pass, and get a shot off with 2.2 seconds.
Secondly, in one of the most famous shots in NCAA tourney history, Bryce Drew in 1998 had a play where they threw it from the baseline with 2.5 seconds (yes I know, before a stupid comment from you, it’s not 2.2) but he got the pass with 2.5 and got the shot off with a full second left on the clock, so yea, you can get a shot off from a pass on the baseline with 2.2 seconds with a 2 people touching the ball, one of those people making a pass.
Please explain in your infinite wisdom again, how that’s not possible, when it’s literally happened.
Of course they should be, look at their wins. Marquette, Kansas, Baylor, at Texas Tech, close loss to Auburn. It's an elite resume. Adding @ Arizona would have been nice to pad the resume but I don't think losing moves the needle in a bad way much at all.
Compare it to Houston who has a better conference record but won at Kansas with nothing else on their resume.
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50 pages of reflection and criticism! Just everyone go out and yell your head off, bang your head against the wall, and get ready to enjoy the rest of the way.
Here you go. 12:43 mark of this video is a play ran to perfection and the next play is almost as good. I'll wait to hear your thoughts. And don't bring up that in the first video there is 3 seconds left because his shot was released at .8 seconds, perfectly 2.2 seconds and that was enough for a catch, a quick pass, a dribble and a shot.
There was a dribble in there too. All done in 2.2 seconds.
Below is the Valpo shot against Ole Miss
2.5 seconds on the clock. Got it off with 1.
1.5 seconds from touch to shot with a pass in between.
1998 Bryce Drew Shot
Jamie Sykes floated a pass to Bill Jenkins, who caught it and passed to Bryce Drew in one motion. Drew, then hit the game-winning 3 allowing Valparaiso to upset Ole Miss.
A full court pass with two defenders in front court (and no ball pressure) and a couple of 6”10 post players is more likely to get a higher percentage look than the 55 footer that was put up by Love. Of course it is going to result in a turnover sometime but that pass if completed a 1/3 of time will result in a 25 foot 3 pointer nearly every time.
Exactly. Coaches put that or a rendition in their playbook. Honestly, if Arizona has a timeout I can almost guarantee you they run a play that involves throwing the ball down the court for a higher percentage shot rather than what they got.There was a dribble in there too. All done in 2.2 seconds.
Below is the Valpo shot against Ole Miss
2.5 seconds on the clock. Got it off with 1.
1.5 seconds from touch to shot with a pass in between.
1998 Bryce Drew Shot
Jamie Sykes floated a pass to Bill Jenkins, who caught it and passed to Bryce Drew in one motion. Drew, then hit the game-winning 3 allowing Valparaiso to upset Ole Miss.www.ncaa.com
Honestly with 12 hours to ruminate on this, i'm more mad again about the WVU loss than I am about losing (effectively) on a miracle 3 pointer.
Without that, we'd be sitting here going "our only losses are crazy finishes against elite teams away from home"
Without that, we'd be sitting here going "our only losses are crazy finishes against elite teams away from home"
It does appear we have the 15th easiest schedule left in the league while Arizona and Houston have the 2 hardest left.
I'm just worried that while we have a better resume halfway through the year, that they will have more opportunities to pass us in the 2nd half in terms of resume.
They need to start losing some of these games they are getting lucky in.
While it sucked to lose the way we did I am at peace with the decision making at the end of regulation. Had Jefferson hit both his FT we would not even be discussing this. But 2.2 seconds left up 3 I am fine not fouling there because IMO the odds of hitting that 70 foot 3 are less than messing up and fouling him while shooting it or them hitting the 1st and tipping in the 2nd missed FT. We played out of control in OT I thought which led to some bad shots and ball protection.
All 3 of our losses so far are not bad losses IMO but how we lost 2 of the 3 hurts because we had the lead late in both and lost it in the last seconds. None are home losses and all 3 times are likely NCAA tournament teams and we know Auburn could wind up as a #1 seed too. If we were to drop one to a bottom tier Big 12 team then I would have some concern but this is the Big 12 and road games are always tough.
All 3 of our losses so far are not bad losses IMO but how we lost 2 of the 3 hurts because we had the lead late in both and lost it in the last seconds. None are home losses and all 3 times are likely NCAA tournament teams and we know Auburn could wind up as a #1 seed too. If we were to drop one to a bottom tier Big 12 team then I would have some concern but this is the Big 12 and road games are always tough.
That was a gut punch game. But I am more focused on the Clones beating K-State on Saturday. K-State's had a tough season, but in the games I have watched they're a team that can beat Iowa State if they play well and we don't play well after a tough loss.
My take on the end-of-regulation is Love made a shot he might make 5% of the time. So 95% of the time, how we defended the last 2 seconds wouldn't come under scrutiny.
I haven't gone back and read more than the last five pages, but two items I would question in hindsight are:
My take on the end-of-regulation is Love made a shot he might make 5% of the time. So 95% of the time, how we defended the last 2 seconds wouldn't come under scrutiny.
I haven't gone back and read more than the last five pages, but two items I would question in hindsight are:
- After Jefferson misses the first free throw, I would have substituted Watson for Jackson (could also make an argument of Heise sub for CuJO). In real time, I was surprised TJ didn't make the former move. Just feel Watson's quickness and jumping ability provide more defense than Jackson's height/strength. I would have used Watson as a backcourt defender. Put Jefferson & CuJo/Heise on UA bigs.
- I am a big fan of putting a defender on the out-of-bounds passer. Make that passer uncomfortable AND don't allow them to make a strong chest/bounce pass to a guard.
Some great points being made here for sure. however, in no way shape or form does this KSU team threaten ISU at all. Unless TJ decides to start Fish, Kelderman, Watson, Indrusaitis and Rock, ISU will roll.
FWIW i do expect there to be some hangover, and the game will probably be close until the under 8 timeout in the first half
Houston's schedule is definitely tougher but that also means more loss potential for them.
I think if Iowa State splits the Houston and Kansas games and has just 1 other loss, they're sitting very pretty for a 1 seed as long as they don't lose early in the Big 12 tournament. That Marquette win is going to carry them a long way when comparing them to a team like Houston which has nothing in its OOC.
Yeah I'm not convinced the West Virginia loss won't be a bad one by the end of the season. I already feel kind of icky about it now that they've lost to Tang
TJ's lesson: Any one player can impact this game in a way that Iowa State can win.
I wish a fan would have thrown a water bottle at the ball, deflecting it just a little.
dont worry, after WVU beats UH tomorrow night, it will be a good loss again
