Ankeny Police Incompetent!

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It is my understanding that routine stops for little things lead to busts for bigger things...
 

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It is my understanding that routine stops for little things lead to busts for bigger things...

Can lead to ... They dont always.
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impressive post. :skeptical:

I think there are far greater criminal problems in our society than people driving 1-10 mph over the speed limit, 18 year olds getting drunk, and people smoking pot. Tell me why these "problems" deserve the amount of attention they receive from law enforcement? In my hometown the police spent waaaaay more effort and energy busting underage drinkers than they did going after meth cookers. Which is the bigger problem? If you think that underage drinking, mild speeding and pot use are even in the same league as violent crime and hard drugs, then I can't help you.
 
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The problem in (mine) and many people's eyes isn't that the cops aren't letting them get away with something illegal, it's that the cops put so much emphasis on fighting trivial things like speeding under 10mph over, underage drinking, marijuana use, etc, that it seems like we're under staffed or not putting a proportionate amount of effort into more serious criminal matters like gang violence, domestic abuse, or methamphetamine. I do agree that there is too much resources put into stopping incredibly minor criminal activities, leaving serious problems underfunded and under-addressed.

Totally agree. We waste so much money on stupid causes. The issue of pot is one of the stupidest.

Like MaxPower said, when you have a guy kill someone, then go to Hy-Vee Buffet, then bike to Nevada, and then finally steal a cop car, there is something wrong.
 
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I think there are far greater criminal problems in our society than people driving 1-10 mph over the speed limit, 18 year olds getting drunk, and people smoking pot. Tell me why these "problems" deserve the amount of attention they receive from law enforcement? In my hometown the police spent waaaaay more effort and energy busting underage drinkers than they did going after meth cookers. Which is the bigger problem? If you think that underage drinking, mild speeding and pot use are even in the same league as violent crime and hard drugs, then I can't help you.
So you think there's like murders and rapes going unsolved because some cop is busting a speeder?
 

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So you think there's like murders and rapes going unsolved because some cop is busting a speeder?

Thanks for putting words in my mouth. However, there are meth cookers in my home county who aren't getting much heat because the police are too busy busting high school keggers.

And to answer your original question, what do you think goes on in Creston?

My original point wasn't about bashing cops, it was about how I think law enforcement is misallocated. I forgot this is Cyclone Fanatic and anyone who disagrees with 1950's social mores is a dirty commie bastard...
 
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What leads should they get if they don't find illegal substances in people's cars? Or they aren't stopping people with outstanding warrents?
 

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So which laws should cops just let go then?

It's not about letting go. They only have so much time and resources, right? I'm saying they need to focus all of their energy on the most pressing and significant problems first. For example, in a small rural county with a low amount of law enforcement, those law enforcement members should spend their time and effort first and foremost focusing on the meth problem. Where I am from, cops will spend almost the same amount of time and effort trying to bust high school parties than they do shutting down meth labs. I don't know how many more times I can say that underage drinking should not be as high of a priority as stopping meth production. Cops can't put the same amount of energy into everything, right? So why expend so much energy on stopping minor, relatively non-dangerous crimes, when they could be throwing everything they have at actual threats. If you don't get the point by now, you won't ever get it...
 

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It's not about letting go. They only have so much time and resources, right? I'm saying they need to focus all of their energy on the most pressing and significant problems first. For example, in a small rural county with a low amount of law enforcement, those law enforcement members should spend their time and effort first and foremost focusing on the meth problem. Where I am from, cops will spend almost the same amount of time and effort trying to bust high school parties than they do shutting down meth labs. I don't know how many more times I can say that underage drinking should not be as high of a priority as stopping meth production. Cops can't put the same amount of energy into everything, right? So why expend so much energy on stopping minor, relatively non-dangerous crimes, when they could be throwing everything they have at actual threats. If you don't get the point by now, you won't ever get it...

What about the underage kid who has too much to drink, gets behind the wheel and kills someone? Maybe by busting up that kegger, the police saved a life.
 

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Where I am from, cops will spend almost the same amount of time and effort trying to bust high school parties than they do shutting down meth labs...

So why expend so much energy on stopping minor, relatively non-dangerous crimes, when they could be throwing everything they have at actual threats. If you don't get the point by now, you won't ever get it...

I'm pretty sure teenagers driving drunk is a dangerous problem...

Not to detract from Meth labs, but you can't ignore all other problems just to deal with one either... a little fire will turn into a big one if you don't put it out
 

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What about the underage kid who has too much to drink, gets behind the wheel and kills someone? Maybe by busting up that kegger, the police saved a life.

You guys really don't get the point do you. There aren't that many drunk driving deaths in rural America. Meth is a bigger problem. Does someone on this board get the concept that some issues are more pressing than others, and that law enforcement, for whatever reason doesn't seem to put a proportionate amount of resources at them?
 
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It's not about letting go. They only have so much time and resources, right? I'm saying they need to focus all of their energy on the most pressing and significant problems first. For example, in a small rural county with a low amount of law enforcement, those law enforcement members should spend their time and effort first and foremost focusing on the meth problem. Where I am from, cops will spend almost the same amount of time and effort trying to bust high school parties than they do shutting down meth labs. I don't know how many more times I can say that underage drinking should not be as high of a priority as stopping meth production. Cops can't put the same amount of energy into everything, right? So why expend so much energy on stopping minor, relatively non-dangerous crimes, when they could be throwing everything they have at actual threats. If you don't get the point by now, you won't ever get it...
Of course meth would be a higher priority, but by your logic everytime they bust up a kegger their losing a meth cooker. They can't just forget about laws being broken so they can focus everything on meth cookers. I'm guessing you are not a LEO there so to say that you know that they are diverting focus away from these more serious crimes isn't really fair, you have (i assume) no idea of the day to day workings going on there.
 

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You guys really don't get the point do you. There aren't that many drunk driving deaths in rural America. Meth is a bigger problem. Does someone on this board get the concept that some issues are more pressing than others, and that law enforcement, for whatever reason doesn't seem to put a proportionate amount of resources at them?
So, you're saying they should focus everything on meth labs and forget about drunk driving, since meth is "more dangerous"?
 

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You guys really don't get the point do you. There aren't that many drunk driving deaths in rural America. Meth is a bigger problem. Does someone on this board get the concept that some issues are more pressing than others, and that law enforcement, for whatever reason doesn't seem to put a proportionate amount of resources at them?

Well then, in my hypothetical situation, you should be the police officer who knocks on the door and tells mom & dad that little Johnny got ran over by an underage drunk driver.

Just because there "aren't that many" drunk driving deaths in rural America doesn't mean the police shouldn't do everything in their power to try and prevent them.
 

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You guys really don't get the point do you. There aren't that many drunk driving deaths in rural America. Meth is a bigger problem. Does someone on this board get the concept that some issues are more pressing than others, and that law enforcement, for whatever reason doesn't seem to put a proportionate amount of resources at them?

No, you don't get the point. Actually several points...

A) It's fun to play Devil's advocate, especially when someone is taking an issue to one extreme like you are doing. I don't even have to totally disagree with your point to disagree with you here.

B) As someone esle just said, it's not like busting a party that is reported means they aren't busting a meth lab.

C) As I pointed out, someone else also pointed out, and you ignored, you can't ignore all other crime just to deal with one

D) How many deaths by drunk driving is ok in the name of fighting Meth before it becomes a problem and warrents their attention? If 1 is not, how about 5? 10? 20? 50?



I agree that meth should be a higher priority, but your argument that it should be the only priority is asinine
 

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I'm pretty sure teenagers driving drunk is a dangerous problem...

Not to detract from Meth labs, but you can't ignore all other problems just to deal with one either... a little fire will turn into a big one if you don't put it out

I dunno... I know I have wildly different views on this kind of thing than most people here, and that's fine. My only point all along is that in many localities police spend a disproportionate amount of effort busting crimes that result in a lot of damage. I grew up in an incredibly rural area. I'm not condoning drunk driving, but out there there just aren't that many cars to have an accident with. People drive drunk on a very regular basis, and most of them drive under 25mph on deserted roads. I'm not condoning it, I'm just saying. If you aren't used to that kind of thing, there is no way to convince you that it really isn't that dangerous, so I'm not going to try. That said, they aren't even focused on stopping drunk driving. They're just busting parties, when they could be busting Meth labs. Apparently 90% of people on this thread are of the opinion that the job of police is to enforce whatever law they can, regardless of the effect that particular criminal behavior has on society. Busting teen drinkers in BFE is of equal importance as stopping Meth production. Got it. They might crash into a deer. It deserves equal police attention as the meth lab next door which might explode, setting the house on fire killing the 4 malnourished, impoverished kids who can't even go to school because their parents are so cranked out. Of course. Stupid me.
 

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I'm not saying meth should be their only priority. It should be their biggest priority. In many, many rural areas of this state, preventing underage drinking gets as much attention as meth. That is asinine...
 

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You guys really don't get the point do you. There aren't that many drunk driving deaths in rural America. Meth is a bigger problem. Does someone on this board get the concept that some issues are more pressing than others, and that law enforcement, for whatever reason doesn't seem to put a proportionate amount of resources at them?

What?!?!?!? I'm from rural Iowa and I can name 2 kids from my high school class who were killed driving home from high school parties. It is not uncommon. When you mix the most inexperienced drivers with large amounts of alcohol, it can often lead to very serious problems.