49ers - Brock Purdy - Still and Always #1

[BMWallace]

not sure I agree with this when talking about quarterbacks. It's the one position that is fairly stagnant in terms of players (though the medium to low end players will play musical chairs)

2020 was five seasons ago, considering a 15 year career would be considered a long career, you would expect every five years to lose roughly 1/3 of your qb to retirement to be replaced by incoming draftees.

Here are the list of starters in 2020 that are no longer starting qbs: Tom Brady (retired) Big Ben (retired) Ryan Tannehill (benched) Matt Ryan (retired) Drew Brees (retired), Philip Rivers (retired) Cam Newton (benched) Jimmy G (benched), Carson Wentz (benched)

I probably missed one or two but qb is maybe the only position outside of kicker/punter where if you've made the leap to starting qb, there's a high likelihood that you'll still be a starting qb somewhere in the league assuming you haven't aged out.

To put more numbers to your point, lets take the 2021 Week 1 starters.

Of the 32 starting QBs, their status is as follows:

• 12 Starting for the same team
• 5 Starting with different teams
• 3 Retired
• 2 Free Agents
• 10 Backup for different team

So in just shy of 4 seasons, 20 teams have replaced their starters. 15 of these 32 are no longer taking meaningful snaps other than injury or mop-up duty.

It could really be summarized as half of the starting QBs in the NFL are no longer starters after 4 years. Or to put it in science terms, the half-life of an NFL starting QB is approx. 4 years.

 

[1SEIACLONE]

For 401k accounts, most private sector employers provide a 100% match at 3% of the employee's salary. So, if you're getting a 133% match on double that (6%) ... then yeah, you have a sweetheart deal on your pension. Also, if it's IPERS, I think you're guaranteed a minimum annual return -- not so with private sector 401ks.

If public employees have such a sweet heart deal, then why is everyone not clamoring to get into those fields? I mean you have a sweet retirement, only have to work 30 years to get 60% of your salary, paid for by the tax payers. Hell you would think the line would be out the door for every open position down at your local city, county or school. But for some reason, they are begging for people to take and stay in those jobs.

Why no line, because the pay for the most part is a lot less than a person is going to receive doing the same job in the private sector, plus no bonuses and other little perks, and your salary increase per year is capped by the state. The only great thing is the retirement, but you have to get 30 years in before you get the full amount.

If its such a great deal, go out and get one of those city jobs, if not, quit ******** about it and the people that do them.

 

[mynameisjonas]

You haven’t provided anything salient to the discussion and have already demonstrated you don’t understand NFL financials (or budgeting in general). So your opinion really doesn’t mean much to me

yeah you’re the nfl expert trying to compare college coach salaries for coaches that are already multi millionaires and their willingness to be flexible to an NFL roster that has a salary cap. To a player that will be signing a life changing contract. 4 year $200M is my guess.

it is interesting that this particular situation with Brock purdy is where you decided to take a stand. I don’t remember hearing anything from you when Tua got his contract. Or Dak. Or Lawrence.

 

[SolterraCyclone]

yeah you’re the nfl expert trying to compare college coach salaries for coaches that are already multi millionaires and their willingness to be flexible to an NFL roster that has a salary cap. To a player that will be signing a life changing contract. 4 year $200M is my guess.

it is interesting that this particular situation with Brock purdy is where you decided to take a stand. I don’t remember hearing anything from you when Tua got his contract. Or Dak. Or Lawrence.

Re first paragraph: I explained the parallels in my earlier post, but I'll do it again. Both situations would be individuals who are probably worth more, taking a haircut on salary in order to help their employers reinvest the finite dollars (ISU through operating budget constraint and Niners through the Salary Cap constraint) in resources around them, that would then help the enterprise overall. It's the same situation, whether you can see your hypocrisy or not.

Happy to call out Tua or Dak or Lawerence as well, but there haven't been threads created on those guys (as far as I'm aware). Those are objectively terrible and hamstringing contracts for their respective organizations. I have spoken out on why paying a QB too much of a team's salary cap is a bad idea, completely independent of a Brock Purdy discussion

https://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/threads/2024-nfl-season.280426/post-9545361

 

[mynameisjonas]

Speaking of Tua, this is a big matchup for Brock this weekend VS Miami and Tua.

 

[1SEIACLONE]

Re first paragraph: I explained the parallels in my earlier post, but I'll do it again. Both situations would be individuals who are probably worth more, taking a haircut on salary in order to help their employers reinvest the finite dollars (ISU through operating budget constraint and Niners through the Salary Cap constraint) in resources around them, that would then help the enterprise overall. It's the same situation, whether you can see your hypocrisy or not.

Happy to call out Tua or Dak or Lawerence as well, but there haven't been threads created on those guys (as far as I'm aware). Those are objectively terrible and hamstringing contracts for their respective organizations. I have spoken out on why paying a QB too much of a team's salary cap is a bad idea, completely independent of a Brock Purdy discussion

https://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/threads/2024-nfl-season.280426/post-9545361

The reason players like Tua and Dak making the type of money they do is very simple. Its that hardest position to play in sports and do it at a high level. Both have performed at a high level, but also have a tendency to pee down their leg in the brightest moments. But to let them walk means starting over, and their replacement might be even worse. Hell, look at Sam Darnoid with the Vikings, anyone could have signed him as a back up and he is making $10 million, has made $65 million in his career and until this year has done nothing. This off season some team will give him $25 million or more because they are worst off at the position and need a QB.
Long story short, when you get a guy, you almost are forced to pay them a lot of money, and you just hope they are Brady or Mahomes and will work with you and not someone like Dak that only cares about himself and how much money he can make.

 

[NorthCyd]

The reason players like Tua and Dak making the type of money they do is very simple. Its that hardest position to play in sports and do it at a high level. Both have performed at a high level, but also have a tendency to pee down their leg in the brightest moments. But to let them walk means starting over, and their replacement might be even worse. Hell, look at Sam Darnoid with the Vikings, anyone could have signed him as a back up and he is making $10 million, has made $65 million in his career and until this year has done nothing. This off season some team will give him $25 million or more because they are worst off at the position and need a QB.
Long story short, when you get a guy, you almost are forced to pay them a lot of money, and you just hope they are Brady or Mahomes and will work with you and not someone like Dak that only cares about himself and how much money he can make.

Speaking of Darnold, did anybody see Baldingers recent comments that 49ers should try to "flip" Brock for Sam? Lol! Man has he turned on Brock quick.

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[Max57]

If public employees have such a sweet heart deal, then why is everyone not clamoring to get into those fields? I mean you have a sweet retirement, only have to work 30 years to get 60% of your salary, paid for by the tax payers. Hell you would think the line would be out the door for every open position down at your local city, county or school. But for some reason, they are begging for people to take and stay in those jobs.

Why no line, because the pay for the most part is a lot less than a person is going to receive doing the same job in the private sector, plus no bonuses and other little perks, and your salary increase per year is capped by the state. The only great thing is the retirement, but you have to get 30 years in before you get the full amount.

If its such a great deal, go out and get one of those city jobs, if not, quit ******** about it and the people that do them.

Not ******** or complaining ... I responded to your question (which I'm guessing was actually rhetorical:
"... but I also paid 6% of that out of my check and the school paid 8%, much like an employer matching what you put into your 401K. How is it any different, ..."

So, I answered with my view of the difference. Look, I come from a family of public school educators ... I get it. But the "pension vs 401k" is not the hill you want to plant your flag on. I do know this ... everyone of my family members who are of my generation or older all retired at an early age. In my opinion, it was combination of their pension + other retirement basically equaling their salary. So not always part of the "rosy retirement" situation ... but more, "why would I keep doing this, if I can retire?"
fyi ... I'm 67 yo and still working full-time. For the most part, I've worked for two organizations my entire adult life.

 

[joefrog]

49ers made their salary cap issues when they signed Jimmy G then Trey Lance. Brock Purdy bailed them out. And they blow their money on overpaid players like Deebo. Purdy will take $50+ million. That’s a $5-10 million discount. Maybe the 49ers shouldn’t have wasted cap money on the divas that are on the roster.

Oh I agree.

And if Purdy wasn't Purdy both Shanahan and Lynch would be fired by now.

That said, with the number of huge contracts they have given out, and their length, I expect their roster to look about like this year's right now if the pay Purdy top dollar.

 

[joefrog]

Which is why his contract will be back heavy.

Even then, that is still going to hurt.

 

[AuH2O]

Speaking of Darnold, did anybody see Baldingers recent comments that 49ers should try to "flip" Brock for Sam? Lol! Man has he turned on Brock quick.

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There’s a lot of dumb in that Baldinger interview, but the cherry on top was wondering out loud if it would be possible to sign them both at reasonable salaries and have a competition.

 

[Cyhig]

Even then, that is still going to hurt.

Oh, I agree. I look at the Vikings this year who were able to save a ton of money by going with Darnold, and they used the extra cap to bring in defensive players that fit Flores' scheme well.

Then look at what happened with the Falcons and Cousins. They will struggle for a few years to get out of the cap hit they will take from Cousins.

Overpaying for any player in a cap environment is always costly; there may be a movement in the next few years that will see a lower % of the cap going towards QBs. It is the most important position, but a team has to ensure the value is right for the % of cap being paid to the QB

 

[1SEIACLONE]

Oh, I agree. I look at the Vikings this year who were able to save a ton of money by going with Darnold, and they used the extra cap to bring in defensive players that fit Flores' scheme well.

Then look at what happened with the Falcons and Cousins. They will struggle for a few years to get out of the cap hit they will take from Cousins.

Overpaying for any player in a cap environment is always costly; there may be a movement in the next few years that will see a lower % of the cap going towards QBs. It is the most important position, but a team has to ensure the value is right for the % of cap being paid to the QB

The Vikings also drafted the guy they hope will be their future QB in the first round last season, and Darnold was signed to help mentor him, and then would be replaced by McCarthy when the time was right. McCarthy was hurt during camp, but should be ready for next season. It was a better move than paying Cousins. Hell the Falcon's paid Cousins and then also drafted a QB in the 1st round, which is totally stupid. His contract for his production and age is insane.

Kirk Cousins goes from $180 million contract to benched

The Atlanta Falcons are starting Michael Penix Jr. the rest of the season, and Kirk Cousins heads to the bench after signing a $180 million deal in the offseason.

sports.yahoo.com

 

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[ClonerJams]

Just listened to Williams and Blum and they insinuated both Campbell and Otz took less money in these extensions than they could have to help ISU’s budget.

Don’t they know they should have held ISU over a barrel to get as much as they could have and damn the rest! Look at how much their peers are making!

It's different as a professional athlete. The players union will not at all be happy if Purdy gives them a team friendly deal that is way under his fair market value.

 

[SaraV]

 

[khardbored]

Poor Brock. Barely getting by on that 7th round draft salary.

 

[Stormin]

Poor Brock. Barely getting by on that 7th round draft salary.

 

[JEFF420]

 

[Rural]

How absurd was it giving that contract to Dak?