Williams & Blum today- FB attendance

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This is my argument for how seeing baseball live isn't nearly as bad as people make it out to be as far as game flow is concerned.

Basically after a big play the game moves on right after. Like for a home run, the new batter is up soon after the hitter crosses home plate regardless of what the crowd is doing.
Ya. Baseball and football are complete opposites in that sense. I can hardly watch baseball on TV but being at the park is just awesome.
 

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These arguments about watching in person vs TV are good ones. Teams, both professional and college, are having trouble luring fans to the game.

Going to open up a can of worms, but the easiest way to help get more butts in the seats is sell alcohol at the game. But I digress
 
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These arguments about watching in person vs TV are good ones. Teams, both professional and college, are having trouble luring fans to the game.

Going to open up a can of worms, but the easiest way to help get more butts in the seats is sell alcohol at the game. But I digress
I agree it would help but the TV timeouts are a massive problem. I really doubt the networks are going to fix it but they're killing the golden goose in so many ways. It's infuriating honestly.
 

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Was curious after the conversation today about being surprised the game isn’t a sellout:

Since the S End zone was bowled in, there have been 15 sellouts. All have occurred in odd numbered years when we play Iowa at home. If the Baylor game were to sell out it’d be the first in an even numbered year in at least 10 years. When you look at the attendance trends over the years, it appears that odd numbered years can generally have a 3000-4000 per game dip in attendance. I’ve noticed secondary market tickets are going for quite a bit more this year even though attendance is down. I assume you have a group of people who are buying season tix for the Iowa game in odd numbered years then dumping the rest of the season on the secondary market.

Probably is something to personal financials playing a part for some attending or not if you can pick up cheap tickets on the secondary market or not. At the end of the day it’s not an excuse but a reality that cost is a factor and that this year isn’t an anomaly from prior trends. You’d hope that the team’s success will push those in the fence to fill the Jack in October and I bet it will be close to full on Saturday.

Simple. It's freaking expensive, and the games are televised. We try to go to one football and one basketball game every year. That's all a lot of people can do.
 

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I go to a D3 game or two a year (St Johns) and the games normally start at 1 pm and are over before 4. They flow so nicely.

Same for me with occasional high school games (and obviously less everything including time).

No reviews or super long diliberation over calls, no in between quarters nonsense. Just move on and play.
 

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While I agree, I think this is definitely more true for basketball than football. Basketball has a lot more constant action, even with the timeouts, and its half the time commitment.

That’s true if you are going to one game. You are spending more time for basketball if you count over a whole season (just for games)
 

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Yeah? Explain 2023 to me then. Sold second most ever, after going 4-8
Was the collective asking for $$ to? There’s more to than the teams record, but to say it has no bearing just doesn’t fly. End of day, many are feeling priced out.

And to be honest, the game day experience inside the stadium isn’t worth it.
 
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These arguments about watching in person vs TV are good ones. Teams, both professional and college, are having trouble luring fans to the game.

Going to open up a can of worms, but the easiest way to help get more butts in the seats is sell alcohol at the game. But I digress
This. I could care less about alcohol in the stadium. Too expensive for me.

But…..don’t belly ache about budgets and donations when you are leaving $$ on the table. Everyone (or almost everyone) is doing it. Honor before victory I guess.
 
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Are you (still) angry about those games? Do you have any way of knowing this?
Yeah. I’d rather beat G5 teams than lose to them. Why do you think season ticket sales dropped off?
 

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All of this is sort of true.

But---just like basketball---nothing can replace the feeling of being at a game.
My family never talks about the games they wish the didn’t go to…it’s the games that they missed that always get brought up. My wife, who is not an alum, from IA, etc. still talks about missing the Jack Trice game last year. She is very excited for fireworks and drones this weekend…weather permitting. We make memories every week and you never know when one will be truly special.
 

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It is my experience that Iowa State football games are such a bargain compared to professional sporting events. I feel that the overall game day experience including tailgating and the game is second to none at Iowa State. I can’t swing season tickets to the Colts or the Pacers, but Cyclone season tickets offer many different reasonable options. I had ISU football season tickets living in Indiana for 4 years. I hope my schedule allows me to get them again in the future.
I’m an out of state season ticket holder. We regularly bring guests who are blown away by the game day experience. I know several Gopher fans that bought tickets during Covid just to come down and watch college football. We have something special on so many levels but like most things it is taken for granted.
 

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This is my argument for how seeing baseball live isn't nearly as bad as people make it out to be as far as game flow is concerned.

Basically after a big play the game moves on right after. Like for a home run, the new batter is up soon after the hitter crosses home plate regardless of what the crowd is doing.

Being at a baseball game is much more enjoyable in person than on tv. It’s the opposite for football imo. Going to tOSU is different because I can ride my bike there, or grab a scooter, or have someone drop me off and pick me up after. Ames is a little different in that you have to drive 40 minutes from DSM or further for a lot of people because not that many people live there. I’ve become a big fan of “tailgating” at the bars or the “fan zones” around the Shoe instead of the parking lot style of tailgating at JTS. I think CyTown is going to move the environment forward in a good way once that gets up and going full steam.
 

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Same for me with occasional high school games (and obviously less everything including time).

No reviews or super long diliberation over calls, no in between quarters nonsense. Just move on and play.
This is my annual comment where I say I hate all forms of video review.
 

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This is my annual comment where I say I hate all forms of video review.

At the Crew game tonight I almost lost my ****. They reviewed everything that didn’t need to be reviewed, and just didn’t review all the things that should have been reviewed. Weird rules around what can and can’t be reviewed, it’s terrible. Of course the MLS has to keep Messi and his band of former Barca senior citizens strong but this was beyond the pale.
 
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Was curious after the conversation today about being surprised the game isn’t a sellout:

Since the S End zone was bowled in, there have been 15 sellouts. All have occurred in odd numbered years when we play Iowa at home. If the Baylor game were to sell out it’d be the first in an even numbered year in at least 10 years. When you look at the attendance trends over the years, it appears that odd numbered years can generally have a 3000-4000 per game dip in attendance. I’ve noticed secondary market tickets are going for quite a bit more this year even though attendance is down. I assume you have a group of people who are buying season tix for the Iowa game in odd numbered years then dumping the rest of the season on the secondary market.

Probably is something to personal financials playing a part for some attending or not if you can pick up cheap tickets on the secondary market or not. At the end of the day it’s not an excuse but a reality that cost is a factor and that this year isn’t an anomaly from prior trends. You’d hope that the team’s success will push those in the fence to fill the Jack in October and I bet it will be close to full on Saturday.

I had a whole long post breaking this down but it got deleted without a draft getting saved, but its more than just Iowa.

Our sellouts have all come from 6 opponents

UNI, Iowa, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, Texas. (which is to say the closest FCS school, the 4 closest FBS schools, and the largest fanbase in the old big 12)

In most of those even years, we have only gotten one of those (Kansas State) and often late enough in the year that attendance falls off due to weather or us simply being bad.

A sellout saturday would be a rather unique event in being against a more distant opponent with a small fanbase.

For further context, here's all-time past Baylor attendance:

1988: 42,913
1997: 34,404
2001: 44,189
2005: 45,992
2009: 42,253
--10 team big 12--
2012: 54,877
2014: 51,776
--new stadium configuration---
2016: 50,842
2018: 53,860
2020: Covid (13,535)
2022: 58,069 (this was our home big 12 opener after starting 3-0)

Even just being near a sellout should be seen as a great attendance when you compare to past attendance vs Baylor.
 
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That’s true if you are going to one game. You are spending more time for basketball if you count over a whole season (just for games)

Sure, but I don't think that's as much of an issue for people as much as the time commitment on any individual day.

Not to mention the outside of game time is different as well. You can show up to ames 30 minutes before and get into Hilton. Much harder to do that in Jack trice, even if you aren't tailgating. And while there are traffic issues for both, you can be stuck there a lot longer after football.
 
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I feel like this has devolved into a Season Ticket thread when it started out as a why this game isn't sold out yet thread. And every single reason people are listing as to why they don't want to get season tickets is a reason why they should buy tickets to this game.