John Deere as corporate punching bag

Die4Cy

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What are these people supposed to make when they go to their jobs, since no one is buying any equipment?

JD increased prices a great deal in the past ten years in a profitable farming environment. For example, the 8R 310 tractor they sell today for $425,000 specs out virtually the same as the 8295R they sold in 2014 for $211,000. Even taking inflation into effect, they've increased the price of essentially the same product by $180,000 freaking dollars in ten years.

Good for them, they got it while they could. But they can't do that anymore and the current state of farm income (down 16% last year and projected down another 24% in 2024) means the earliest they can hope for a substantial turnaround to start moving units is probably the end of 2025 at the earliest.

It isn't just them, all companies are dealing with the same issues. I just saw an auction settlement where a Fendt IDEAL combine with only 300 hours of in-field use in the past five years sell for $140k coming off of lease when the original sale in 2019 was probably approaching half a million dollars.

It's a bloodbath out here in the ag iron world and there is no turnaround in sight. But of course the former cabinet secretary has no clue what he's even looking at, much less what he's talking about.
 

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What are these people supposed to make when they go to their jobs, since no one is buying any equipment?

JD increased prices a great deal in the past ten years in a profitable farming environment. For example, the 8R 310 tractor they sell today for $425,000 specs out virtually the same as the 8295R they sold in 2014 for $211,000. Even taking inflation into effect, they've increased the price of essentially the same product by $180,000 freaking dollars in ten years.

Good for them, they got it while they could. But they can't do that anymore and the current state of farm income (down 16% last year and projected down another 24% in 2024) means the earliest they can hope for a substantial turnaround to start moving units is probably the end of 2025 at the earliest.

It isn't just them, all companies are dealing with the same issues. I just saw an auction settlement where a Fendt IDEAL combine with only 300 hours of in-field use in the past five years sell for $140k coming off of lease when the original sale in 2019 was probably approaching half a million dollars.

It's a bloodbath out here in the ag iron world and there is no turnaround in sight. But of course the former cabinet secretary has no clue what he's even looking at, much less what he's talking about.
They force the dealers to floor plan it. I know several Red dealers that folded up because they had a row of combines they were forced to take in a down cycle.
 
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Die4Cy

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They force the dealers to floor plan it. I know several Red dealers that folded up because they had a row of combines they were forced to take in a down cycle.
A very large Iowa JD dealership group's owners would like to sell out but can't. There is no one out there that can purchase their inventory and other fixed assets across multiple locations with what they already owe on their line of credit. I'm not sure JD would even let them if there were someone.
 

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A very large Iowa JD dealership group's owners would like to sell out but can't. There is no one out there that can purchase their inventory and other fixed assets across multiple locations with what they already owe on their line of credit. I'm not sure JD would even let them if there were someone.
JD used to have a rule that your dealerships needed to be congruent. So you couldn’t leap frog one dealer to buy a different one. That limited the buyers. Seems they have allowed that rule to be bent some.
 

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I suppose it depends on what you mean by "investment class". Rip on the C-suite and BOD all you want but many, probably most, of the posters on this forum are at least indirect investors in DE.
Nope.

 

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I suppose it depends on what you mean by "investment class". Rip on the C-suite and BOD all you want but many, probably most, of the posters on this forum are at least indirect investors in DE.
So we are going to play that game, the top 10% own 93% of all the stock wealth in the country. That is the investment class, the rest of us are just trying to make a little extra dough and most are using it for a retirement vehicle. When you get a quarterly dividend check in the 10's of thousands and not a few hundred bucks you are in the investment class.

 

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I suppose it depends on what you mean by "investment class". Rip on the C-suite and BOD all you want but many, probably most, of the posters on this forum are at least indirect investors in DE.
Only 61% of people own stock in the country and for a many of those will only see a benefit from that at retirement.

It's sad that half of this country will immediately label all of these people let go from John Deere as lazy.
 

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Wonder how Harry Stine feels about this as he has contolling stake in Van-Wall if I remember correctly.
 
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JD and any other manufacturer makes phenomenal wealth when the customer base is in a buy mode and the good times roll. Agriculture is cyclical with highs and lows and we are in a low now. Nothing new here. It makes no sense for JD to keep the production lines going at the same pace when there is no demand. The Dealers certainly don’t want unwanted inventory gathering dust on their lots. The fair thing would be to distribute more of the profits made during good times in severance pay to those workers who were producing the products that enriched the executives and investors. I don’t expect that to happen without government intervention, unfortunately.
 

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Most corporations have issues. Just a matter if they’ve stepped out of line with the prevailing thoughts as to whether media chooses to highlight it or not.
Pretty sure every local media covers every larger corporation when they file warn notices.
Nike and Intel are always in the news here when they hire and fire.
 

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So we are going to play that game, the top 10% own 93% of all the stock wealth in the country. That is the investment class, the rest of us are just trying to make a little extra dough and most are using it for a retirement vehicle. When you get a quarterly dividend check in the 10's of thousands and not a few hundred bucks you are in the investment class.


Just checked....nope, I'm not in the top 10%.

Damn.
 

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So we are going to play that game, the top 10% own 93% of all the stock wealth in the country. That is the investment class, the rest of us are just trying to make a little extra dough and most are using it for a retirement vehicle. When you get a quarterly dividend check in the 10's of thousands and not a few hundred bucks you are in the investment class.


I am a big fan of baby bonds. It's a delayed and slow impact on society as a whole, but its relatively cheap and (imho) creates empowerment instead of dependency.
 

CascadeClone

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Just checked....nope, I'm not in the top 10%.

Damn.
~$1M net worth puts you in the top 10%. ($970k actually, according to Kiplingers - that might be 2022 data)

I am sure that seems like a lot to the youngsters here, but also 100% certain there are quite a few older CF'ers here that would meet that criteria, whether it's 401k, farmground, or whatever.
 

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