New Pizza place in Ames

mplscyclone

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You can tell all this from the place's website?


The website has a lot of info actually.

First, it's more expensive than places in Des Moines and it's on par with Chicago that's kind of silly to me.

Second, you have to spend $300 to get $320 worth of pizza (since you can only get 12 inch). If you're opening a new place, you have to provide some deals up front to get people to go. Then when they go, you get them hooked. Did they do any kind of specials or free pizza give-aways?? Do they have any weeknight types of deals where you can get reduced amounts including sides? All I see is that if you eat a spicy pizza you get a t-shirt lol.

Third, they did a bad job of getting their name out in the community. I know they were on KCCI and CNN, but when people that live across the street from you don't know about you (like my friends) that's a problem.

Fourth, they financed a lot of this by borrowing against their 401K. You have to pay it back and pay double tax on it. Even with the markets doing bad, this isn't a good way at all to fund a business.

For the millionth time though, I will try it. It's just that when the price tag is a little higher, the expectations go higher as well.
 

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You must work for one of the big 3 auto makers I guess.

Quality doesn't matter to students in Ames, but I guarantee it does to the other 25,000 residents. Some of us have broadened our horizons past Pizza Pit, Home Team, etc.


I graduated over a year ago am married, work in Des Moines and live in Ames, so I don't really understand the whole talking down thing....
 

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You're right. I forgot all about your book "Mplscyclone's Guide to Running a Pizza Business"

How many weeks was that on the Best Seller's list? Tom Clancy, eat your heart out.

I actually know how to run a restaurant. I worked in that business for 8 years and have family in the restaurant biz.

The reason why I don't do it is because it's relativley boring and physically demanding for the pay.
 

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You must work for one of the big 3 auto makers I guess.

Quality doesn't matter to students in Ames, but I guarantee it does to the other 25,000 residents. Some of us have broadened our horizons past Pizza Pit, Home Team, etc.


Walmart is by far one the crappiest stores ever and it's doing well nationally without college students.

I lived in the burbs for a while and Sam's Club was the thing too.

Airlines owned by the US have their quality decreasing.

In the US, the middle class consumer is more concerned about price than quality. How else can you explain crappy businesses doing well?
 

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All this talk about Chicago style has me hungry. And breakfast is an hour away...

Sliced buffalo mozzarella. That's all I ask for on my Chicago-style tomato pie. None of this bagged shredded crap.

If what mpls says is true about their financials, they'll be yet another well-intentioned Ames business bust.

ISU press printed a limited run book written in conjunction with Roy Kroc back in the day entitled "How to Run a Restaurant". It was pink softbound, and you can easily predict whether a restaurant will make it or not, without stepping foot through their door.
 
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And, no freaking way, it's not only a partnership, it's a three-way partnership???

Doomed. Before they even opened their doors. Sad, really.
 

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If what mpls says is true about their financials, they'll be yet another well-intentioned Ames business bust.

Well, then Aunt Maude's and Lucullan's should have been out of business years and years ago. I can get pasta at Applebee's for way cheaper than either of those places, so it must be the same thing... right? No, because I want quality, and am willing to pay a premium for it - like most of the non-student residents of Ames (and some of the students).

Our dinner was $7/person at Black Market last night (including Chicago deepdish pizza, breadsticks, and soda). The Chicago Style pizza was enormous, and we only got a 12". If pizza is really good, some people are going to pay a few extra dollars for it - that's how George's and Great Plains have stayed in business. They're far more expensive than Gumby's or Pizza Hut, but they're way better. Nobody is guaranteeing this place will make it (all restaurants are a gamble), but it's foolish to doom it on its third day open.

And, in the end, this is about freaking pizza.
 

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Cheese pizzas are environmentally friendly and an Al Gore smaller carbon footprint:jimlad:. They also are pretty blah.
 

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Well, then Aunt Maude's and Lucullan's should have been out of business years and years ago. I can get pasta at Applebee's for way cheaper than either of those places, so it must be the same thing... right? No, because I want quality, and am willing to pay a premium for it - like most of the non-student residents of Ames (and some of the students).

Our dinner was $7/person at Black Market last night (including Chicago deepdish pizza, breadsticks, and soda). The Chicago Style pizza was enormous, and we only got a 12". If pizza is really good, some people are going to pay a few extra dollars for it - that's how George's and Great Plains have stayed in business. They're far more expensive than Gumby's or Pizza Hut, but they're way better. Nobody is guaranteeing this place will make it (all restaurants are a gamble), but it's foolish to doom it on its third day open.

And, in the end, this is about freaking pizza.

If only it were about pizza. What it's really about is proper resourcing, unfortunately. Even Lucullan's and Hickory Park have gone belly up, before, because of bad financials.

(I believe Hickory Park went bankrupt the first time because of poor reinvestment by the owner).

A high quality place CAN make it. Provided they are properly financed, located and run. AND they advertise like mad, in the beginning.

But the odds of a three-way partnered, shoestring business succeeding, in a college town are oddly in line with being thrice struck with lightning.

And I would give important parts of my anatomy to have a Chicago-Style Tomato Pie when I'm home on leave
 

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Well then, you haven't had a GOOD cheese pizza. Trust me on this, I could change your mind on cheese pizza being "blah".

Agree on the cheese. I've had about every kind of pizza that there is - chains, Chicago deep dish, Great Plains, mom & pop shops, thin crust, thick crust, home made, whatever. Some of the absolute best were the 4 cheese varieties from the New York, Philly, Jersey area.
 

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Well, then Aunt Maude's and Lucullan's should have been out of business years and years ago. I can get pasta at Applebee's for way cheaper than either of those places, so it must be the same thing... right? No, because I want quality, and am willing to pay a premium for it - like most of the non-student residents of Ames (and some of the students).

Our dinner was $7/person at Black Market last night (including Chicago deepdish pizza, breadsticks, and soda). The Chicago Style pizza was enormous, and we only got a 12". If pizza is really good, some people are going to pay a few extra dollars for it - that's how George's and Great Plains have stayed in business. They're far more expensive than Gumby's or Pizza Hut, but they're way better. Nobody is guaranteeing this place will make it (all restaurants are a gamble), but it's foolish to doom it on its third day open.

And, in the end, this is about freaking pizza.

There is a lot more to this equation than just quality. Yes, people will step it up a little bit but they have to feel like they are getting a return on it.

There also isn't as much competition in Ames for a Lucullans or Georges. Both of those places offer something unique. You can say that Black Market does as well with their Chicago Style, but I find a lot of people that don't even know what Chicago Style is.

Both of those places are in good locations where even a random person driving through Ames may come across it.

The funny thing to me is that I thought message boards is where people sound off on their opinion.

Is what all of you want just 50 posts in a row of people saying "wow that's really good, the Chicago style is so big and awesome!".

If so, then I apologize. I have my own opinions about things and I feel like this is a site where I can do that.

I am telling you that to run a restaurant, you have to work your *** off promoting stuff. You gotta sponsor things, give pizzas away, etc. For the size of this town, there are a lot of restaurant options in Ames. You have to do something beyond having good menu items, to stand out. I personally am shocked they didn't give pizzas away to people on the first day (or at least have a HUGE discount).

Every successful restaurant in this town has been able to stand out in a unique way and provide intangibles beyond just good menu items. There have been plenty of places with good food closing it's doors.

I also think that borrowing against your 401k (outside of maybe two situations) is the WORST investment decision you can make REGARDLESS of what the market is currently doing. I know maybe only 1 person has done this, but having that person as a partner is going to complicate things.

I lastly don't think a lot of people are looking to spend more money right now. Of course somebody is willing to, but is it enough people? I used to eat out all the time and go out for lunch and now I'm really doing neither because I don't know the outlook for my job.

I also think a considerable amount of the price the customer is paying is because of the fact it's in Sommerset. I wouldn't be surprised if it was in a different location in town, the prices would be slightly lower.
 

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There is a lot more to this equation than just quality. Yes, people will step it up a little bit but they have to feel like they are getting a return on it.

There also isn't as much competition in Ames for a Lucullans or Georges. Both of those places offer something unique. You can say that Black Market does as well with their Chicago Style, but I find a lot of people that don't even know what Chicago Style is.

Both of those places are in good locations where even a random person driving through Ames may come across it.

The funny thing to me is that I thought message boards is where people sound off on their opinion.

Is what all of you want just 50 posts in a row of people saying "wow that's really good, the Chicago style is so big and awesome!".

If so, then I apologize. I have my own opinions about things and I feel like this is a site where I can do that.

I am telling you that to run a restaurant, you have to work your *** off promoting stuff. You gotta sponsor things, give pizzas away, etc. For the size of this town, there are a lot of restaurant options in Ames. You have to do something beyond having good menu items, to stand out. I personally am shocked they didn't give pizzas away to people on the first day (or at least have a HUGE discount).

Every successful restaurant in this town has been able to stand out in a unique way and provide intangibles beyond just good menu items. There have been plenty of places with good food closing it's doors.

I also think that borrowing against your 401k (outside of maybe two situations) is the WORST investment decision you can make REGARDLESS of what the market is currently doing. I know maybe only 1 person has done this, but having that person as a partner is going to complicate things.

I lastly don't think a lot of people are looking to spend more money right now. Of course somebody is willing to, but is it enough people? I used to eat out all the time and go out for lunch and now I'm really doing neither because I don't know the outlook for my job.

I also think a considerable amount of the price the customer is paying is because of the fact it's in Sommerset. I wouldn't be surprised if it was in a different location in town, the prices would be slightly lower.

dont really know for sure if the aforementioned post actually deserves this... but i dont feel like reading that much, and if someone is gonna spend that much time writing something about pizza then it MIGHT deserve this clip...

sorry if i hurt any feelings.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKjxFJfcrcA]YouTube - Billy Madison - Everyone is now dumber[/ame]
 

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dont really know for sure if the aforementioned post actually deserves this... but i dont feel like reading that much, and if someone is gonna spend that much time writing something about pizza then it MIGHT deserve this clip...

sorry if i hurt any feelings.

YouTube - Billy Madison - Everyone is now dumber

And you are relevant how???

I actually am talking business more so than just pizza but whatev.
 

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And you are relevant how???

I actually am talking business more so than just pizza but whatev.

thats why i said it was a joke.

also why i said sorry if this offends.

so quite honestly it means nothing. kinda just a funny clip and i decided to go for it and i am almost trying to avoid my Bio 256 homework at all cost. thanks for playing along though:smile:
 

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I really can't believe I wasted so much time reading each and every post in this thread.

I decided to waste more time by posting.

Carry on!
 
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And you are relevant how???

I actually am talking business more so than just pizza but whatev.

Which is the point, exactly. Food quality is an essential, in running a good business, but proper capitalization, staffing and portioning determine if a restaurant survives in a normal town

Add to that, the complication of operating in a college town, which means you have to survive cycles, as well some of the pain of dealing with college students, both as staff and as customers
 

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And I would give important parts of my anatomy to have a Chicago-Style Tomato Pie when I'm home on leave[/quote]

Have you talked to MrsPhaedrus about that?