*** Official VCU vs IOWA STATE Game(Day) Thread ***

Pharmacy99

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Dude. Homan took a lot of jump shots. Jones would throw the ball over the backboard if he shot a three. Jones 54% is all 2-4 feet away from the basket. He's decent at layups and bunnies. But he sucks at shooting. Doesn't mean he's a bad player. I love everything else he does.
Homan took jump shots because he had no post moves. He was a bruiser, good rebounder, and good defensive player. Yes, almost every shot BRE makes is close to the basket but isn’t that a center expected to do? BRE has no range but he is decent around the basket. Why is it hard for some posters to accept the fact that BRE is better around the basket than other ISU big men from the past. I never said BRE is a better player than Homan.
 

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I am going to write off the first half as ISU not having faced elite size and athleticism in earlier games this season. TJ & Staff got things corrected at half.

One aspect of our offense that was glaring to me was zero mid-range shots. I know the analytics folks will say that is a bad shot, but feel like we were spoiled the last couple years with guys like Kalscheur, Brockington and Holmes. But VCU's defense was a bit unique in that they allowed easy dribble/drive and then collapsed on driver with their length.

People have also questioned why Watson didn't play. I could be wrong, but I think it comes down to VCU's defense allowing dribble penetration. It made sense to load up minutes for Lipsey, Gilbert and C Jones- all guys who can penetrate. The guys who lost out were Biliew and Watson.
 
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Someone needs to get some nil action headed his way. Any jerseys or t's out there that might put something in his pocket? I'd wear his jersey to KC and the big12's proudly.

A custom jersey that doesn’t come with any licensing challenges would be cool ala Pete Roger’s Celtics jerseys.
 

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Dude. Homan took a lot of jump shots. Jones would throw the ball over the backboard if he shot a three. Jones 54% is all 2-4 feet away from the basket. He's decent at layups and bunnies. But he sucks at shooting. Doesn't mean he's a bad player. I love everything else he does.
Homan was a decent FT shooter, but offensively he was pretty much an 8’ and in guy. He was a better jump shooter than Rob, but when you factor in post move shots, it’s hard to make a case he was much of a better shooter overall than Rob. A baby hook is still a shot. I think if stuck Rob on that team as the only legit big with all those guards he would put up a good season. Homan was a good player and exactly what that team needed.
 

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I am going to write off the first half as ISU not having faced elite size and athleticism in earlier games this season. TJ & Staff got things corrected at half.

One aspect of our offense that was glaring to me was zero mid-range shots. I know the analytics folks will say that is a bad shot, but feel like we were spoiled the last couple years with guys like Kalscheur, Brockington and Holmes. But VCU's defense was a bit unique in that they allowed easy dribble/drive and then collapsed on driver with their length.

People have also questioned why Watson didn't play. I could be wrong, but I think it comes down to VCU's defense allowing dribble penetration. It made sense to load up minutes for Lipsey, Gilbert and C Jones- all guys who can penetrate. The guys who lost out were Biliew and Watson.
I think you nailed it in terms of Watson. Throwing a VCU type guy in Watson minimizes the massive skill advantage ISU had with the other guys.

And it’s easy to look back at stats and wonder why Milan played as much as he did, but the guy can obviously shoot, so he could get hot any moment. Plus his ability to space the floor was critically important.

C. Jones was also very good handling, passing and getting some key rebounds.

Had that game been called like the average game, he would’ve shot a lot more FTs and put up 30. Between Tamin and Gilbert, I can’t remember having two guys on the team that can get to the rim like this. They aren’t going to finish like Grayer, Kane or DeJean Jones, but they are going to get to the line and create opportunities for bigs to clean up.
 
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Kudos to King. It’s clear he’s applying himself. That first year was atrocious.

(Was ESPN doing remote telecast when he started?) that first year sounded like he was calling the game while scrolling through his feed/texting.

Yeah. His first season was the covid Prohm 2-22 year, so all the games were done remotely. It used to make me laugh how they would show the announcers beforehand and his partner would be in a jacket and tie while King would be wearing a hoodie.
 

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I think they both need to learn how to operate with someone good working hard to defend them. They need to work just as hard to get themselves open or help their teammates. The whole team needs to work on getting good shots for guys that can make them. It looked like a Prohm offense in the first half.
If other teams start over defending our shooters the Gilbert/Lipsey driving to the bucket needs to kick in sooner. Gilbert has insane handles and can get to the rack better than anyone I can remember at ISU. Tinsley maybe?
 

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Homan took jump shots because he had no post moves. He was a bruiser, good rebounder, and good defensive player. Yes, almost every shot BRE makes is close to the basket but isn’t that a center expected to do? BRE has no range but he is decent around the basket. Why is it hard for some posters to accept the fact that BRE is better around the basket than other ISU big men from the past. I never said BRE is a better player than Homan.

I never said you said BRE was better than Homan. You claimed Jones was a decent shooter. Which he is not.
 

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First game on the road, in a weird arena, against a non-tomato can. Is it shocking that they shot the ball like crap? That goes double for Milan, being a true freshman.

Team showed a lot of grit, and believing they can will themselves to victory will help them at some point this season.
 

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Homan was a decent FT shooter, but offensively he was pretty much an 8’ and in guy. He was a better jump shooter than Rob, but when you factor in post move shots, it’s hard to make a case he was much of a better shooter overall than Rob. A baby hook is still a shot. I think if stuck Rob on that team as the only legit big with all those guards he would put up a good season. Homan was a good player and exactly what that team needed.

Seems like during the Homan days a lot of the offensive sets ended up with him at the free throw line or from the corners at the top of the lane. That look was probably like our 3rd or fourth option depending on the year.
 

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If other teams start over defending our shooters the Gilbert/Lipsey driving to the bucket needs to kick in sooner. Gilbert has insane handles and can get to the rack better than anyone I can remember at ISU. Tinsley maybe?
Garrett always could get to the hoop. Just couldn't finish.
 

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BRE is shooting an incredible 79% from the floor (19-24) this year. I remember he got off to a really good start last year as well, and then struggled at times in B12 play. Hopefully he can continue the efficient shooting throughout the whole season. He will need to kick it out more against B12 bigs. Last year he forced things too much.
 

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BRE is shooting an incredible 79% from the floor (19-24) this year. I remember he got off to a really good start last year as well, and then struggled at times in B12 play. Hopefully he can continue the efficient shooting throughout the whole season. He will need to kick it out more against B12 bigs. Last year he forced things too much.
He'll cool off some but if he can be around 60% that will be good for where he gets most of his shots and a huge bump up from 47% last year.
 

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Watched the highlights on youtube for a quicker viewing. Few things, wow what a gritty comeback by the clones. Tamin grew TF up quick. He looks like an even better leader who takes command as an alpha, love it. His shot looks smoother too. Props to BRE, he's taken more steps too, love to see it. I like Gilberts game, which will come in handy tournament time. Milan had an off game, whoopy, he'll have them as a freshman but will grow as the competition grows with time. He will still be an all-timer.

The biggest glare again, was FT's. 12 misses is a lot. I hope they can improve some and this isn't a reoccurring trend.
 
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